General 14 students, 1 teacher dead following mass school shooting in Texas

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Qat

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Isn't that the theme of the last couple pages? Every idea someone comes up with is taken apart because it's not perfect coz fringe 'what ifs' could still happen. So lets not do anything.

Certainly seemed so.

Then of course we have a human right for assault rifles, or something I wasn't aware of before.

That leads me to total gun anarchy, coz no regulating system is perfect so let's scrap all systems.
 

Qat

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I can't wait till assault drones are publically available and what the mental gymnastics will be about how it's a parenting fault and that a knife drone would have had the same impact anyway.
 

Qat

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I can't wait to hear about how making another hurdle for law-abiding people to jump through will have more benefit than harm, and how it will keep another on of these "lightning strikes" from happening.

DO SOMETHING!!!
Lightening deaths in the US 2020: 17

Gun related deaths in the US 2020 excluding suicide: ~20.930

 

BeardOfKnowledge

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Jul 22, 2015
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Isn't that the theme of the last couple pages? Every idea someone comes up with is taken apart because it's not perfect coz fringe 'what ifs' could still happen. So lets not do anything.

Certainly seemed so.

Then of course we have a human right for assault rifles, or something I wasn't aware of before.

That leads me to total gun anarchy, coz no regulating system is perfect so let's scrap all systems.
I still have no idea what you're talking about.
 

Qat

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I fail to see how pointing out that there's a series of systems in place to prevent these tragedies is someone saying "This isn't a perfect solution therefore it's bad."
You didn't say it with that particular post, true.
Its just that I read the last couple pages in bulk as I often do this thread, and the overwhelming sense of it was peepz trashing any system as not perfect therefore useless.

I just kept with it ya know.
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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Jul 22, 2015
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You didn't say it with that particular post, true.
Its just that I read the last couple pages in bulk as I often do this thread, and the overwhelming sense of it was peepz trashing any system as not perfect therefore useless.

I just kept with it ya know.
You're a weird guy, Ace.
 

Filthy

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Isn't that the theme of the last couple pages? Every idea someone comes up with is taken apart because it's not perfect coz fringe 'what ifs' could still happen. So lets not do anything.

Certainly seemed so.
Lots of things can work. But "prohibition laws" will not, we have centuries of evidence that the unintended consequences of creating a black market are ALWAYS worse than the problem they seek to solve by prohibition.

Then of course we have a human right for assault rifles, or something I wasn't aware of before.

That leads me to total gun anarchy, coz no regulating system is perfect so let's scrap all systems.
Humans have a right to the same defense as "the gov't" because we have a gov't "of the people, by the people, for the people". We don't let queens in fancy hats have more rights than anyone else.
 

Qat

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"child being present during a school shooting"

reading is hard. math is harder.
Ah yeah, so did you compare it to a child being present during a school lightening strike?

Wanna have fair comparisons here nah?
 

Filthy

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If someone wants to make the argument that reducing access to firearms is part of the solution, the first thing they should show is that as firearm access has increased or decreased, rates of violent crime (especially mass shootings) have increased/decreased.
 

Filthy

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Ah yeah, so did you compare it to a child being present during a school lightening strike?

Wanna have fair comparisons here nah?
actually, i controlled populations so it is a fair comparison. I did it by comparing the # child school-hrs to the number of mass shootings and the average school size.

Wanna compare school shootings to child drownings or car accidents?
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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Jul 22, 2015
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If someone wants to make the argument that reducing access to firearms is part of the solution, the first thing they should show is that as firearm access has increased or decreased, rates of violent crime (especially mass shootings) have increased/decreased.
I respectfully disagree. How someone dies is generally irrelevant to a public safety. In jurisdictions where access to firearms has been restricted there has been a corresponding drop in shootings. There however has not been a significant drop in overall violent crime that can't be easily explained through other mechanisms.
 

Freeloading Rusty

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If someone wants to make the argument that reducing access to firearms is part of the solution, the first thing they should show is that as firearm access has increased or decreased, rates of violent crime (especially mass shootings) have increased/decreased.
Has that not been shown enough in the thread in relation to the previous assault weapon ban?
 

Filthy

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I respectfully disagree. How someone dies is generally irrelevant to a public safety. In jurisdictions where access to firearms has been restricted there has been a corresponding drop in shootings. There however has not been a significant drop in overall violent crime that can't be easily explained through other mechanisms.
but if you can't show a basic direct relationship between firearm access and violent crime, increasing/decreasing firearm access isn't a significant part of the theoretical "causal" relationship. Certainly not enough of a causal element to justify all of the social impact of creating a black market of firearms.
 

Qat

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Humans have a right to the same defense as "the gov't" because we have a gov't "of the people, by the people, for the people". We don't let queens in fancy hats have more rights than anyone else.
Hence im eagerly awaiting the private assault drones.
Also human rights have no age limit.
So I'm awaiting the assault drones flown by 4 year olds very eagerly.

Wanna compare school shootings to child drownings or car accidents?
Sure. Tell us exactly how many children have to die before it becomes relevant to you.
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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Jul 22, 2015
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but if you can't show a basic direct relationship between firearm access and violent crime, increasing/decreasing firearm access isn't a significant part of the theoretical "causal" relationship. Certainly not enough of a causal element to justify all of the social impact of creating a black market of firearms.
I agree, that's why I mentioned the parameter of gun violence, specifically, "Mass shootings" as not being relevant