British brothers and sisters, y'all wearing poppies or nah?

[Zeph]

Welp, we have actual studies and experiments linked to why one side believes the towers went down.
The only thing the other side has responded with was...... 1 youtube video

Watch the youtube video then.

 

[member 1013]

Watch the youtube video then.

Maybe he did.

 

[Masato Toys]

Maybe someone could explain this to me just on a basic logic level. I've seen all the documentaries, I know all the theories because I was a big conspiracy guy when I was younger. I just want to ask this to the Truthers.

For the sake of argument, let us grant the facts that the government wanted the middle east war badly and they were willing to act unethically to get into it (including perpetrating a false flag and potentially spilling innocent American blood).

What's the logic behind undertaking such an intricate conspiracy involving so many moving parts and so many individuals that would have to be party to murdering thousands of Americans, when the result of justifying a war could be done in much simpler ways? Ways that wouldn't make the president and all his men look like they failed to keep America safe?

The average Joe has no idea what the C.I.A does. Couldn't they have falsified some intelligence about potential terrorist activities? Maybe bought off the press to support the war?

And question 2, why is it that the same government that perpetrated this GENIUS, highly detailed conspiracy false flag... just threw their hands up in the air and said "whoopsie" when they couldn't find the WMD's they were searching for? I mean to pull off 9/11 as an inside job, you have to have so many people in league with you and you have to have so much power and ingenuity... yet you can't even falsify a report that you found a WMD to justify your war? Maybe planted a couple there?

That's a good question. I also wonder, if it was all planned out as a false flag, why they didn't more specifically pin it on Iraq, as that was clearly the intended goal, not just Afghanistan. Maybe it wasn't entirely planned, but rather perhaps a partially real terror attack that was taken advantage of and expanded upon in a scramble (?).

As for why it needed to be so elaborate and spectacular, IMO there was a big element in mass-brainwashing/mass-trauma involved. The event quite successfully fucked people up so badly and thereby implanted a new and concrete 'reality tunnel' of how people perceive global politics etc. It created a permanent state of FEAR, which is ingredient #1 for any kind of military campaign.

I wrote a piece once about comparing 9/11 to Timothy Leary's 8-Circuit Model of consciousness. In 'Prometheus Rising', Robert Anton Wilson described how if you want to effectively brainwash people, you have to hit all the lower circuits in order, starting from the bottom which is basic survival and safety. Once you traumatize a person deeply enough, you can start to re-program the next levels up one by one.

What happened on 9/11, and what the media and White House did with it, fits this model exactly.

 

[SAJ]

I'm not debating the general premise it could have been an inside job, I'm just saying the scientific research on what happened to the actual buildings is there and has been for years. 9/11 has brought about a lot of changes in engineering and building material technology.

Lars, has there been changes in the building industry? For the sake of argument lets call this a structure failure. Has there been any changes in how buildings are structured?

 

[Hired Gun]

VH, read the article(link) I posted. It's a good read on how the effects of how the planes hitting those buildings brought them down.

 

[La Paix]

That's a good question. I also wonder, if it was all planned out as a false flag, why they didn't more specifically pin it on Iraq, as that was clearly the intended goal, not just Afghanistan. Maybe it wasn't entirely planned, but rather perhaps a partially real terror attack that was taken advantage of and expanded upon in a scramble (?).

As for why it needed to be so elaborate and spectacular, IMO there was a big element in mass-brainwashing/mass-trauma involved. The event quite successfully fucked people up so badly and thereby implanted a new and concrete 'reality tunnel' of how people perceive global politics etc. It created a permanent state of FEAR, which is ingredient #1 for any kind of military campaign.

I wrote a piece once about comparing 9/11 to Timothy Leary's 8-Circuit Model of consciousness. In 'Prometheus Rising', Robert Anton Wilson described how if you want to effectively brainwash people, you have to hit all the lower circuits in order, starting from the bottom which is basic survival and safety. Once you traumatize a person deeply enough, you can start to re-program the next levels up one by one.

What happened on 9/11, and what the media and White House did with it, fits this model exactly.

Link to your write up?

 

[Sweets]

5 sky scrapers fall due to fire in the history of the US. 3 of them on the same day, 9/11. I don't know much about numbers but them odds of that are, real, real, fucking long.

9 11 - Is there any other skyscraper that was destroyed totally just by fire except the three World Trade Center towers? - Skeptics Stack Exchange

 

[Masato Toys]

Link to your write up?

masatotoys.freeforums.org • View topic - 9/11 and Leary's 8-Circuit Model Brainwashing Recipe

 

[Sweets]

That's a good question. I also wonder, if it was all planned out as a false flag, why they didn't more specifically pin it on Iraq, as that was clearly the intended goal, not just Afghanistan. Maybe it wasn't entirely planned, but rather perhaps a partially real terror attack that was taken advantage of and expanded upon in a scramble (?).

As for why it needed to be so elaborate and spectacular, IMO there was a big element in mass-brainwashing/mass-trauma involved. The event quite successfully fucked people up so badly and thereby implanted a new and concrete 'reality tunnel' of how people perceive global politics etc. It created a permanent state of FEAR, which is ingredient #1 for any kind of military campaign.

I wrote a piece once about comparing 9/11 to Timothy Leary's 8-Circuit Model of consciousness. In 'Prometheus Rising', Robert Anton Wilson described how if you want to effectively brainwash people, you have to hit all the lower circuits in order, starting from the bottom which is basic survival and safety. Once you traumatize a person deeply enough, you can start to re-program the next levels up one by one.

What happened on 9/11, and what the media and White House did with it, fits this model exactly.

Lets not narrow it down to the mid east wars the effect of this is much bigger than that, look at the patriot act, TSA, Guantanamo, and on and on and on. The geopolitical shock of 9/11 has allowed governments globally to ram through all sorts of shit...

 

[Masato Toys]

^ Big Sweets gets it

 

[Masato Toys]

I try sometimes in futility to fathom how much shit over the past 15 years would suddenly get thrown into question if the truth of 9/11 were to ever one day 'officially' come out.

 

[La Paix]

masatotoys.freeforums.org • View topic - 9/11 and Leary's 8-Circuit Model Brainwashing Recipe

Will read my man. Good to see you around

 

[Sweets]

As an aside, this sounds like description of the stages of a mushroom trip...

Circuit 1: Basic survival. Fight or Flight. The search for a nurturing mother/safety/shelter

Circuit 2: Territory. Mine vs yours. Understanding of 'pecking order' of your group/community. Power/submissiveness

Circuit 3: Semantics. Starting to think more complex ideas, but getting lost in the ideas/words. Creating a 'map' of the world, a paradigm, etc that can be communicated.

Circuit 4: 'Moral' Socio-sexual Circuit: ideas of 'right and wrong'... ethics. How to deal with ideas of sex, raising children, culture etc.

Circuit 5: Finding Happiness. Joy. Being alive in the spirit and having an awe of creation. Transcending mere thoughts, and reaching a higher level of consciousness. Love, love, love!

Circuit 6: Collective realization. Experiences of dissolving ego, realizing Union of Everything.

Circuit 7: 'Meta-Programming'; being aware of the mind/spirit/brain relationship and consciously re-programming yourself, extracting old patterns that are wrong and training your mind to work for your 'higher self'.

Circuit 8: Non-Local Quantum consciousness. Being everywhere and anywhere simultaneously, sensing beyond your physical body.

 

[SAJ]

As an aside, this sounds like description of the stages of a mushroom trip...

Circuit 1: Basic survival. Fight or Flight. The search for a nurturing mother/safety/shelter

Circuit 2: Territory. Mine vs yours. Understanding of 'pecking order' of your group/community. Power/submissiveness

Circuit 3: Semantics. Starting to think more complex ideas, but getting lost in the ideas/words. Creating a 'map' of the world, a paradigm, etc that can be communicated.

Circuit 4: 'Moral' Socio-sexual Circuit: ideas of 'right and wrong'... ethics. How to deal with ideas of sex, raising children, culture etc.

Circuit 5: Finding Happiness. Joy. Being alive in the spirit and having an awe of creation. Transcending mere thoughts, and reaching a higher level of consciousness. Love, love, love!

Circuit 6: Collective realization. Experiences of dissolving ego, realizing Union of Everything.

Circuit 7: 'Meta-Programming'; being aware of the mind/spirit/brain relationship and consciously re-programming yourself, extracting old patterns that are wrong and training your mind to work for your 'higher self'.

Circuit 8: Non-Local Quantum consciousness. Being everywhere and anywhere simultaneously, sensing beyond your physical body.

Are you referring to new world order here?

 

[SAJ]

It puts a smile on my face that people can see this from a different perspective

 

[Masato Toys]

Once a person is able to see even ONE new perspective, it suddenly dawns that his previous perspective is not the only one.

Then, suddenly he realizes that there may be many others, and it fractals outwards to infinity.

Welcome to being awake

 

[Sweets]

Are you referring to new world older here?

No, but that's apt too it's from the link masato posted on how to brainwash people it's a couple a posts up..
It's remarkably close to the internal shit that goes on when I eat the pixie shrooms..

 

[SAJ]

Once a person is able to see even ONE new perspective, it suddenly dawns that his previous perspective is not the only one.

Then, suddenly he realizes that there may be many others, and it fractals outwards to infinity.

Welcome to being awake

This is why I told @Leigh to watch the new pearl harbor . His perspective on the government and the world in general will be completely different after his eyes have been open

 

[Masato Toys]

That's a weird (but interesting) trip man... my experiences were not like that, I always made a strong effort to not let fear be a part of the equation when doing psychedelics. Was about the LOVE, man

Its cool to hear that you came out of it though, and eventually rose to higher-circuit experiences. Must have been some epic adventures

Is there a thread in here about psychedelics? Don't want to get off topic.

The 9/11 as a method of mass-brainwashing is really interesting to me.

 

[SAJ]

s there a thread in here about psychedelics?

I don't think there is . And @Chief sorry for derailing your thread bro

 

[Sweets]

That's a weird (but interesting) trip man... my experiences were not like that, I always made a strong effort to not let fear be a part of the equation when doing psychedelics. Was about the LOVE, man

Its cool to hear that you came out of it though, and eventually rose to higher-circuit experiences. Must have been some epic adventures

Is there a thread in here about psychedelics? Don't want to get off topic.

The 9/11 as a method of mass-brainwashing is really interesting to me.

I always have that moment where I have to take control of the situation, not so much fear but just "right it's on" kinda thing, like taking the reins.. I relate it to the fight part...

Ye trips are usually fairly introspective for me, but then agian so's life.

No we need one...

Fascinating write up, well played man.

 

[Masato Toys]

^ yeah lots to discuss here, we should start a new thread.
IMO there is a 3rd option to 'fight or flight', this is how most of my trips went down

 

[Masato Toys]

Here's the last part of the piece I wrote, kind of sums it up:


Circuit 1: You are UNDER ATTACK. Chaos. Unpredictability. Horror, death. FEAR. Images americans have never even considered before. Reduce the population to an infantile state.

Circuit 2: Patriotism. In-Group/Out-Group. 'YOU ARE EITHER WITH US, OR YOU ARE WITH THE TERRORISTS'. National pride, Homeland 'Security', etc/

Circuit 3: Semantic Mental Map of the World; give the people a new model of the world where 'Terrorists' are everywhere, scheming in caves, and being 'harbored' by countries everywhere. WAR ON TERROR.

Circuit 4: Define 'Morality', one where 'Freedom' vs 'Jihad' is at the core of everything. Talk of 'Democracy' and 'Dictators', 'freedom', and 'oppression'... 'EVIL DO-ERS' (as Bush Jr used the phrase). What is right in the 'eyes of God vs Allah', etc. Convince the people that the west is 'right', and islamic ways are 'wrong'. Use this to justify 'freeing' people from their darkness.

*It could be argued that Circuit 5 is then artificially satiated with a steady supply of over-the top entertainment and violently marketed materialsm (celebrity worship, reality-TV, Hollywood blockbusters, iphone games, facebook, etc)



If this is indeed a tried, tested, and proven method of brainwashing... is it just coincidence that the events and political semantics of 9/11 follow it so perfectly?

 

[Leigh]

This is why I told @Leigh to watch the new pearl harbor . His perspective on the government and the world in general will be completely different after his eyes have been open

I'm watching it right now. I wouldn't say there is much potential to change my perspective on the US government.

This documentary is pretty damning though. I can't watch it all tonight. Once I've finished watching, I'll read rebuttals.

In summary, so far the following facts are pretty much indisputable:

* The US had numerous credible sources informing them that Al Quaeda were planning to hijack aircraft and fly them into US landmarks. Confirmed sources were UK's MI6, German intelligence and Putin.

* War games with the air force caused confusion. Despite the attacks occurring, the war games were not cancelled. This was officially put down as incompetence but those responsible were not disciplined and were in fact promoted.

* The timing of Dick Cheney entering the PEOC is fabricated in the official report.

* The alleged pilots were very poor and had no experience in commercial aircraft, yet they all performed highly skillful maneuvers.

None of this so far is proof of a false flag but it does show some kind of cover up.

 

[Masato Toys]

Goddamn this forum works & looks good