nope. it has nothing to do with my post or this situation in general.
I guarantee 90% of people passing that statue gave it little thought at all. I would say a majority probably didn't even know who he was. This is the knew Flavor of the Month thing to be pissed about. You could completely erase Confederate history and there would still be something oppressive to bitch about. People compare now to the early Civil Rights movement which is hilarious. The black leaders back then were actually fighting for legitimate rights that they were entitled to. Now it's just well raised college kids talking about how they are oppressed or ones that contribute zero to our economy, but expect to be rewarded.
We obviously won't agree on this issue at all, so I'll just leave it alone.
You're going to be really disappointed when you find out that the civil war wasn't actually over slavery.
good luck trying to argue facts with revisionist leftist who are all good with erasing history because it doesnt fit their current agenda
what they want to erase is their own shady past
Please elaborate as to how it has nothing to do with the situation. I'm presenting other cases of drivers being attacked by antifas. The videos we have of the latest event, start one or two seconds before the car rams into the people, therefore we have no knowledge as to what transpired earlier.
The point I'm trying to make is maybe the driver was honestly scared for his own safety. If you have proof that this is not the case please present me your evidence because I would also like to know.
I wasn't really going to get into the fact that the people crying about the statues now are part of the party that were for oppression in the first place. Reason being is that political parties change with time. Liberals used to hold the same views as modern libertarians, for instance. The Democratic Party has pandered so hard to the uneducated and poor blacks of America that it's almost sad. They truly care only about their votes. Look at Democrat controlled cities across the country...good luck trying to argue facts with revisionist leftist who are all good with erasing history because it doesnt fit their current agenda
what they want to erase is their own shady past
Interesting...
Killed "by the madness of Trumpism". Nah, absolutely no agenda from the left.
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Some of that may be true, but
@Kneeblock and I were talking one time and he described the relationship with the state and with the private market as the largest factor in black America's faith to the Democratic party. And that stuck with me:
On the other hand, my experience is that of the market place empowering a redneck kid from small town south working hard and moving up in the market. I've also lived in both small towns and the 4th and 7th largest cities in the USA. The smaller one the town, the more cumbersome I found a number of government interventions. So I can imagine, from the standpoint of a rural kid, flipping the experience and feeling just as strongly opposite...that the market will fuck me eventually.
This right here.
And deleting history is never a good thing. Should statues be removed based on the nature of these historical figures? That is a fair discussion to have. Just like Jackson on the $20 bill, I welcome such discussions. But let's not erase history, history is after all the best lesson available.
With these types of incidents in the news, the first thing people do is run to their side/team and fire verbal artillery of arguments pro and con. Can we not decide that free speech isn't free speech unless all sides are allowed to speak? (yes, this includes all forms of speech) What we see more of is people want to stop one another from speaking. We've definitely seen this from Antifa, and we've seen it from other groups as well. Can we not decide that those who stop others from speaking, do not deserve to speak?
Stopping people from free speech by killing/or attempting to, is bad news for allof us. Maybe harsher punishment should come as a result of these types of violence, that in the background, serves to discourage people from speaking.
It's hard to disagree with this logic. When my father's family moved here the refugees of the time were told "You'll take this shit job and like it" Fast forward 60 years and those refugees now virtually own that industry at the local level. My intention isn't to sound insensitive, but I often wondered why there isn't a larger black presence in the farming community.
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I do too. There are lots of construction and lawn jobs here. They were done by Mexicans. Then the money became obvious so a lot of whites chose those jobs instead of the chemical plant tech jobs.
You can make a ton of money mowing grass in Southeast Texas. It's hard work, but you don't even need the tech certificate you would need to watch gauges.
I've never seen a predominantly black crew despite living in majority black cities much of my life. I don't know what economics or factors are at play preventing that.
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All hate, doesn't matter what side it's still hate. So if someone does something wrong the answer is to do something wrong yourself? That just a never ending cycle.
Land, here where I live most of the land is in families. Handed down generation to generation. Know a farmer I know has land in his family since the 1800s.
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Jesus Christ. They interviewed her on camera while notifying her for the first time?!?!
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Vanguard America is a group that has grown out of the previous existence of American Vanguard, following a split between its members in the past several months. American Vanguard grew out of the Iron March forum community, but also endured a serious split with the site and those faithful to it.
Before calling itself American Vanguard, the group called itself Reaction America.
In the past few months, much alleged violence has arisen from the Iron March community. Devon Arthurs was arrested for the alleged murder of two of his three roommates. The third, Brandon Russell, was later arrested on charges related to explosives. Russell has admitted to authorities that he was a member of AtomWaffen Division, a group that still calls Iron March its digital home base. Upon his arrest law enforcement found two rifles, hundreds of rounds of ammunition, binoculars, and a skull mask in the vehicle that he and another man were traveling in.
The banner image of a Facebook page that appears to belong to Fields features the Othela rune, popular among Neo-Nazis and the far right (read more on symbols and flags used by far-right groups in Charlottesville).
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Robert E Lee was a complicated figure. Been reading all morning, as I'm not totally educated on the subject.
Here's an apolitical view
Making Sense of Robert E. Lee | History | Smithsonian
I understand why people we feel strongly about keeping the statue up or down. But I think most of those feelings are way too simple and are distilling the truth down to what they want to believe.
Here's an apolitical view
Making Sense of Robert E. Lee | History | Smithsonian
I understand why people we feel strongly about keeping the statue up or down. But I think most of those feelings are way too simple and are distilling the truth down to what they want to believe.