Society Car plows into antifa during white nationalist protest of statue being removed

[jason73]

It's also worth noting that the Conservative Party isn't very conservative. They're the most right of the 3 main political parties, but that's about as far as it goes.

It will be interesting to see what bernier does with his proposed new party

 

[DiSmAnTLeR]

The irony is thick.


I wasn’t inferring you did.

You are fixated on the word left and missing the entire point of the discussion.

Anyone with a slight grasp of Canadian politics would associate Liberal ideology with Left ideology and use the term interchangeably. It’s literally taught that way in the Canadian school curriculum and I went so far as to post examples. You said that NDP’ers are far from Liberal and now are splitting hairs over the fact that the guy used ‘left’ (a commonly used synonym).

That’s great, bro! You didn’t say left. You were 100% wrong in your claim that a Green Party or NDP member is far from liberal.

Regarding the Green Party, federally they come from such a diverse political background (both liberal and conservative ideology amongst its members) that you would be incorrect to even claim that they have a clear consensus amongst the group. I got in a typical debate with ConorMcgregorsBeard about it a while back. You can read it if you ever want to know my opinion on the federal Green Party ( spoiler alert. I argued that the Bloc Québécois has had more impact on our political landscape)

 

[Osiris]

I wouldn’t want to miss gems like this...




The Liberal Party of Canada (French: Parti libéral du Canada), colloquially known as the Grits, is the longest serving federal political partyin Canada. The party espouses the principles of liberalism and generally sits at the centre of the Canadian political spectrum.[5][11][12] The Liberal Party is traditionally positioned to the left of the Conservative Party of Canada and to the right of the New Democratic Party(NDP).[13]

Liberal Party of Canada - Wikipedia

But the Trudeau Liberal govt isn't right of center is it? What Trudeau Liberal policies would fall right of center as opposed to left of center?

I understand traditionally the Liberal party is a right of center party but I think a point was made that this Trudeau government is more left than traditionally seen.

 

[DiSmAnTLeR]

But the Trudeau Liberal govt isn't right of center is it? What Trudeau Liberal policies would fall right of center as opposed to left of center?

I understand traditionally the Liberal party is a right of center party but I think a point was made that this Trudeau government is more left than traditionally seen.

Do you think that strengthening the military or increased financial oversight is a left of centre concept? Those are two core Conservative principals.

No one has claimed that the Trudeau government is right of centre, they are self described as centrist. I posted a description that described what the Party members themselves claim are their core values (liberal on social issues, conservative on economic issues). The point that the Liberals are more left than traditionally seen only strengthens the argument that we have been making.

Whether the Trudeau government has lived up to their stated values is another argument in itself, one that I wouldn’t be makIng.

 

[DiSmAnTLeR]

But the Trudeau Liberal govt isn't right of center is it? What Trudeau Liberal policies would fall right of center as opposed to left of center?

I understand traditionally the Liberal party is a right of center party but I think a point was made that this Trudeau government is more left than traditionally seen.

For further clarification on my position, I agree with these descriptions

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

It will be interesting to see what bernier does with his proposed new party

My guess is nothing. I don't see how any rational person can possibly vote for him in 2019, and I doubt he hold it together until 2024. I really wish he'd waited until after the next election to abandon ship.

 

[jason73]

My guess is nothing. I don't see how any rational person can possibly vote for him in 2019, and I doubt he hold it together until 2024. I really wish he'd waited until after the next election to abandon ship.

Absolutely.splitting the conservative vote is a dangerous game to be playing.i dont see anyone being able to start a new national party ,fund it and find people to run in every riding in a years time

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

Absolutely.splitting the conservative vote is a dangerous game to be playing.i dont see anyone being able to start a new national party ,fund it and find people to run in every riding in a years time

This is exactly the problem. As of right now there are 0 caucus members willing to join him. He might pick up a couple people willing to run for him (ie, my riding is having an election for the CPC candidate and one of the losers from that will likely be willing to run for Max's party) but he's not going to have national coverage for seats which means best case scenario he's splitting votes.

At the end of the day, a lot more voters just pick whatever name is next to the party they like and don't actually know politicians.

 

[Freeloading Rusty]

Neo-Nazi convicted for domestic terror on Amtrak train was part of Unite the Right rally

A card-carrying neo-Nazi who attended the “Unite the Right” rally in Charlottesville was sentenced to 14 years in federal prison Friday for stopping an Amtrak train in Nebraska to “save the train from black people.”

Pictures of Taylor Michael Wilson marching in Charlottesville started circulating online over the weekend after news broke that the 25-year-old Missourian had been sentenced for the Oct. 23, 2017, train incident, deemed an act of "domestic terror." Wilson broke into the secure engine compartment of an Amtrak train as it traveled through rural Nebraska, and pulled the emergency brake, bringing it to a screeching halt. As passengers received word that someone had broken into the compartment, some panicked and tried to escape through the train’s windows, according to court documents.

Two months earlier, Wilson had traveled to Charlottesville to participate in the violent ‘Unite the Right” rally, according to the complaint, and video stills that surfaced Saturday showed him marching alongside James Alex Fields Jr., the young neo-Nazi who rammed his car into a crowd of counterprotesters, sending bodies flying and killing Heather Heyer.

View: https://twitter.com/EmilyGorcenski/status/1048926271907004416

 

[Freeloading Rusty]

Lawyers, judge hash out details ahead of first trial for James Fields, accused of Charlottesville car attack

Lawyers for the man accused of slamming his car into a crowd of counterprotesters after the Aug. 12, 2017, Unite the Right rally met with prosecutors and a Charlottesville circuit judge Thursday to iron out details for the upcoming three-week trial.


James A. Fields Jr., 21, faces 10 state charges related to the rally, including first-degree murder in the death of Heather Heyer, 32, as well as 30 federal hate crime charges, some of which could result in the death penalty.

Damn eh. 30 Federal hate charges that could lead to the death penalty!

 

[Disciplined Galt]

Neo-Nazi convicted for domestic terror on Amtrak train was part of Unite the Right rally

View: https://twitter.com/EmilyGorcenski/status/1048926271907004416

I once saw a leftist have sex with a pig, hence you’re a fan of piggybacking.

 

[ConorMcGregor NutHugger]

I once saw a leftist have sex with a pig, hence you’re a fan of piggybacking.

 

[Hwoarang]

Neo-Nazi convicted for domestic terror on Amtrak train was part of Unite the Right rally

View: https://twitter.com/EmilyGorcenski/status/1048926271907004416

Wtf? Did I read that right?
He got 14 years for pulling the emergency brake on a train??
You could rape a whole class of kindergarten kids and get less.

 

[Freeloading Rusty]

I once saw a leftist have sex with a pig, hence you’re a fan of piggybacking.

 

[Freeloading Rusty]

Defendant in Charlottesville white nationalist rally murder to plead self defence

An Ohio man charged with killing a woman during a white nationalist rally in Virginia plans to argue that he believed he was acting in self defence when he drove his car into a crowd of counter-protesters.

A lawyer for James Alex Fields Jr. offered a glimpse of the defence strategy as jury selection began Monday in Charlottesville, 15 months after this quiet Virginia city became a flashpoint for race relations in the United States.

Fields's attorney, John Hill, told a group of prospective jurors Monday that the jury will hear evidence that Fields "thought he was acting in self defence."


Hill asked if any of the prospective jurors believe using violence in self defence is never appropriate.

Nearly all of the 68 prospective jurors in the first group to be questioned said they had read or heard about the case.

About 20 people said they had formed an opinion on it. When asked if their opinion was so strong they could not put it aside and decide the case based only on the evidence, none of them raised their hands.

Fields was photographed hours before the attack with a shield bearing the emblem of Vanguard America, one of the hate groups that participated in the rally, although the group denied any association with him.

Pretrial hearings have offered few insights into Fields or his motivation. A Charlottesville police detective testified that as he was being detained after the car crash, Fields said he was sorry and sobbed when he was told a woman had been killed. Fields later told a judge he is being treated for bipolar disorder, anxiety, depression and ADHD.

 

[Freeloading Rusty]

Man charged in deadly Charlottesville car attack acted in self-defense, lawyer says as trial begins

During opening statements Thursday in Field’s first-degree murder trial in Charlottesville Circuit Court, defense attorney John Hill said Fields told a police officer after the fatal crash that he had “feared for his safety and was scared to death.”

Prosecutors countered that Fields came to Charlottesville for the “Unite the Right” rally full of anger and intentionally plowed his car into the crowd of people on 4th Street, killing 32-year-old Heather Heyer and seriously injuring several dozen others.


“James Alex Fields sat in his Challenger, idling, at a standstill, watching,” Assistant Commonwealth’s Attorney Nina-Alice Antony said in her opening statement. “Suddenly there is a screech of the tires, and he drives into the crowd … The defendant puts his car into reverse, backs away, with Heather Heyer’s blood and her flesh still on his car.”

Prosecutors, who must prove premeditation on Fields’ part, said jurors would see two Instagram posts from his account months before the crash, showing a car running into a crowd of people.

“His actions before, during, and after the crash will give insight into the mind of Mr. Fields,” Antony told jurors. As for his claim of self defense to a police officer immediately after the crash, the prosecutors said jurors would be shown the officer’s body-worn camera “so you can judge his reaction,” and whether it’s credible, she said.

The fatal Aug. 12, 2017 crash came after a series of violent clashes broke out on the streets of Charlottesville between white nationalists and counterprotesters. A report commissioned by the city later criticized the police response as ineffective. The intersection where the fatal crash occurred had been blocked off with only a plastic sawhorse.

Both the prosecution and defense described the atmosphere in Charlottesville as tense and chaotic in the hours before the fatal crash.

Hill said Fields participated in the rally but that, unlike other protesters and counterprotesters, he wasn’t armed or equipped with a helmet, face mask or sticks.

Fields had driven overnight from Ohio before the rally, Hill said and had only brought a change of clothes — a white polo shirt and long khaki pants.

“You’ll see James participating, chanting,” Hill said. “You’ll see him holding a wooden handmade shield.”

Around the time of the crash, Hill said Fields had been “set upon by the counterprotesters,” who shattered his back window with bats and sticks and Fields thought he saw someone running with a handgun, the lawyer said.

The trial in Charlottesville Circuit Court is expected to last several weeks.

The 16-person jury — including four alternates — was seated Thursday just ahead of opening statements. The jury is made up 9 women and 7 men. Fifteen of the jurors are white; one is black.

In addition to the first-degree murder charge, Fields has also been indicted on federal hate crime charges, which carry the possibility of the death penalty.

One of the first witnesses called by prosecutors Thursday was a man whose image was captured in a dramatic photo as he was struck by Fields’ car.

Marcus Martin became tearful several times while testifying, particularly when asked to describe Heather Heyer, a 32-year-old paralegal and civil rights activist who was killed when she was struck by Fields’ car. “She was just a great person,” Martin said, his voice cracking with emotion.

Martin said he, his fiance, Heyer and another friend had just joined the group of counterprotesters when he heard a tire screech. He said he pushed his fiance out of the way, then he was hit by Fields’ car, suffering a broken leg and other injuries. “I really didn’t know what happened,” he said.

A photo of Martin and others being tossed into the air by the car won a Pulitzer prize. Martin can be seen in the photo suspended in the air, wearing a white T-shirt, khaki shorts, and red and white sneakers.

 

[Disciplined Galt]

Man charged in deadly Charlottesville car attack acted in self-defense, lawyer says as trial begins

She was a manatee, good riddance.

 

[Freeloading Rusty]

She was a manatee, good riddance.

 

[Freeloading Rusty]

Emails show top VA diversity official was told not to condemn Charlottesville violence

A top Trump appointee at the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) reportedly told the agency’s chief diversity officer not to condemn white supremacists after the violent rally in Charlottesville, Va., according to new emails obtained by The Washington Post on Wednesday.

Georgia Coffey, a VA senior executive, pushed the agency to issue a statement condemning the “repugnant display of hate and bigotry by white supremacists, neo-Nazis, and the Ku Klux Klan,” according to the emails from August 2017.

Her pressure came after Trump blamed “both sides” for the deadly clash at the rally between white supremacists and counterprotesters. One woman died and dozens more were injured.

Coffey, a nationally known expert on workplace diversity and race relations, shared a draft of her remarks with the public affairs office just days after the rally. Her prepared statement called Charlottesville “a tragic reminder that our work in civil rights and inclusion is not finished.”

She wanted the remarks to be sent to employees — more than 40 percent of the VA’s employees are minorities — and the public.

Then-VA Secretary David Shulkin had already made waves earlier that week when he broke with Trump by saying the violence “outraged” him.

John Ullyot, the VA’s chief communications official, reportedly did not want any additional comments about the incident to come from the agency.

“John Ullyot does not want to post the message, as the Secretary previously made statements in the news media on this topic earlier this week,” according to a response from a public affairs staffer.

After a back-and-forth in emails, Ullyot wrote that he wanted the statement pared down. He told Coffey she could keep the part emphasizing a “strong commitment” to equal opportunity and diversity.

Coffey responded by saying she was worried Ullyoy’s edits would “dilute my message and fail to convey the sense of condemnation that I hope we all feel.”

Ullyot then added that he and Shulkin agreed that the secretary's name should be removed from the statement.

The emails, which were obtained through the Freedom of Information Act by the Project on Government Oversight, show that Coffey’s staff was worried she would get in trouble. They told her to tone down her remarks like Ullyot suggested, but she refused.

Coffey later published the full remarks under her name in a monthly newsletter posted by the VA’s diversity office.

It was removed and she was reportedly reprimanded. She retired from the VA shortly after and now works as senior manager for diversity and inclusion at Lockheed Martin.

One anonymous source told the newspaper that Ullyot was operating under a directive from the White House not to bring more attention to Trump's controversial statements.

The VA never received White House guidance, VA spokesman Curt Cashour told the Post.

Cashour said Shulkin had “dictated explicitly to John [Ullyot] how he wanted this particular issue handled.”

Shulkin was “adamant that VA employees keep their personal views on the Charlottesville issue out of official VA communications, as Shulkin had done himself in public comments two days beforehand,” Cashour added.

“John was simply ensuring that Coffey understood and followed Shulkin’s guidance,” he continued.

Shulkin, who was removed from his position in March, told the Post that he didn’t remembering discussing the agency’s response with Ullyot.

“I’ve been pretty public about my opinions on the Charlottesville events ... and of course I think all Americans should express their views,” he said.

Jury set to deliberate murder case in 2017 fatal car ramming

A prosecutor told a jury Thursday that James Alex Fields Jr. had hate and violence in his mind when he deliberately drove his car into a crowd of counterprotesters at a white nationalist rally, killing one woman, injuring dozens and leaving bodies strewn on the ground.

As prosecutors urged jurors to find Fields guilty of first-degree murder and other felonies for the deadly August 2017 crash, his lawyers made a final attempt to convince them that Fields had plowed into the crowd out of fear.

The jury is scheduled to begin deliberating the case Friday morning.

During closing arguments Thursday, prosecutors portrayed Fields as a white nationalist who became angry after police forced crowds at the rally to disband. The police action followed violent clashes between the white nationalists who descended on Charlottesville to protest plans to remove a statute of Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee and counterdemonstrators who showed up to oppose the white nationalists.


Senior Assistant Commonwealth's Attorney Nina-Alice Antony reminded the jurors about a text message sent by Fields the day before the rally that included an image of Adolf Hitler. Fields sent the text to his mother in response to her plea for him to be careful. Fields wrote: 'we're not the one (sic) who need to be careful," accompanied by Hitler's image.


Antony also repeatedly reminded the jurors about a meme Fields posted on Instagram three months before the crash. The image shows bodies tossed into the air after a car plows into a crowd identified as "protesters."

"What we have is a man who had a decision, and he decides to turn his Instagram post into reality," she said.

Defense attorney Denise Lunsford urged the jury to consider the chaos earlier that day, when street fights broke out between the two groups and tear gas was thrown.

Lunsford said Fields had urine thrown at him, had been yelled at by counterprotesters and found himself alone and unprotected as he attempted to leave Charlottesville and drive back to his home in Maumee, Ohio. She said he saw a large crowd down the street surrounding two other cars and feared he would be attacked.

"Look at the circumstances as they appeared to him," Lunsford said.


"He says he felt he was in danger, there were people coming at him."

Antony told the jury no one was near Fields' car when he drove into the crowd. She said he idled in his car for more than a minute before backing up, then speeding into the crowd.

"He gets toward that group and he goes for them," she said.

Fields, 21, faces charges of first-degree murder in the death of Heather Heyer, a 32-year-old paralegal and civil rights activist who was killed. He also faces five counts of aggravated malicious wounding, three counts of malicious wounding and a count of leaving the scene of an accident.

Lunsford urged the jury to find Fields guilty of "no more than" the lesser charges of manslaughter in Heyer's death and unlawful wounding in the injuries he caused to others.


In testimony earlier Thursday, a man who was with Fields shortly before the crash said he appeared calm and "maybe a little bit scared."

Joshua Matthews said he met Fields in a Charlottesville park where white nationalists had gathered. After police declared an "unlawful assembly," Fields, Matthews and two other people decided to walk together "as it would probably be more safe," Matthews said.

He said while they were walking, a group of "antifas" — short for anti-fascists — yelled at them. He said Fields yelled something back, although he said he couldn't remember what Fields said.

The defense also called to the stand a left-wing defense group member who claimed in an earlier social media post that he had scared Fields away from a park where counterprotesters had gathered about an hour before Fields plowed his car into the crowd.

Dwayne Dixon testified that he saw a gray "muscle car" drive by several times. He said he yelled "Get the (expletive) out of here" at the car while wearing his gun slung over his shoulder. He testified that he could not see the driver because the car had tinted windows. Dixon has claimed previously that he used his gun to scare off a man he believes was Fields.

Dixon said he believes that was about 30 minutes to an hour before Fields slammed into the group with his car.

 

[Leigh]

Found guilty of first degree murder

Man who drove into crowd at Charlottesville white nationalist rally convicted of first-degree murder

 

[Too swole to control]

Lol hate crime. Is there a 1st degree murder that isn't a hate crime?

 

[Disciplined Galt]

Found guilty of first degree murder

Man who drove into crowd at Charlottesville white nationalist rally convicted of first-degree murder

Never mind animals throwing piss at him and one cretin brandishing an ar 15. Don’t worry about the facts.

 

[Lukewarm Carl]

Never mind animals throwing piss at him and one cretin brandishing an ar 15. Don’t worry about the facts.

The AR point carries no water. Open carry all day long in this state.

Find the person that was throwing piss and charge them accordingly.

This racist ass is still guilty as fuck.

 

[Disciplined Galt]

The AR point carries no water. Open carry all day long in this state.

Find the person that was throwing piss and charge them accordingly.

This racist ass is still guilty as fuck.

I disagree. First they came for. Your free speech is fragile.

 

[Freeloading Rusty]

Well there you have it. Guilty of 1st degree murder.

Man who drove into Charlottesville crowd guilty of first-degree murder

A man who drove his car into a crowd of counterprotesters at a white nationalist rally in Virginia was convicted Friday of first-degree murder for killing a woman in an attack that inflamed long-simmering racial and political tensions across the United States.

A state jury rejected arguments that James Alex Fields Jr. acted in self-defence during a "Unite the Right" rally in Charlottesville on Aug. 12, 2017. Jurors also convicted Fields of eight other charges, including aggravated malicious wounding and hit and run.

Fields, 21, drove to Virginia from his home in Maumee, Ohio, to support the white nationalists. As a large group of counterprotesters marched through Charlottesville singing and laughing, he stopped his car, backed up, then sped into the crowd, according to testimony from witnesses and video surveillance shown to jurors.

Prosecutors told the jury that Fields was angry after witnessing violent clashes between the two sides earlier in the day. The violence prompted police to shut down the rally before it even officially began.

Idolized Hitler
Heather Heyer, a 32-year-old paralegal and civil rights activist, was killed, and nearly three dozen others were injured. The trial featured emotional testimony from survivors who described devastating injuries and long, complicated recoveries.

The far-right rally had been organized in part to protest the planned removal of a statue of Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee. Hundreds of Ku Klux Klan members, neo-Nazis and other white nationalists — emboldened by the election of President Donald Trump — streamed into the college town for one of the largest gatherings of white supremacists in a decade. Some wore battle gear.

Activists raise their fists outside Charlottesville General District Court after the guilty verdict. (Steve Helber/Associated Press)
Afterward, Trump inflamed tensions even further when he said "both sides" were to blame, a comment some saw as a refusal to condemn racism.

According to one of his former teachers, Fields was known in high school for being fascinated with Nazism and idolizing Adolf Hitler. Jurors were shown a text message he sent to his mother several days before the rally that included an image of the notorious German dictator. When his mother pleaded with him to be careful, he replied: "we're not the one [sic] who need to be careful."

Sobbing and hyperventilating
During one of two recorded phone calls Fields made to his mother from jail in the months after he was arrested, he told her he had been mobbed "by a violent group of terrorists" at the rally. In another, Fields referred to the mother of the woman who was killed as a "communist" and "one of those anti-white-supremacists."

Prosecutors also showed jurors a meme Fields posted on Instagram three months before the rally in which bodies are shown being thrown into the air after a car hits a crowd of people identified as protesters. He posted the meme publicly to his Instagram page and sent a similar image as a private message to a friend in May 2017.

People flew into the air as Fields drove his car into a group of protesters demonstrating against the white nationalist rally. (Ryan M. Kelly/The Daily Progress via Associated Press)
But Fields' lawyers told the jury that he drove into the crowd because he feared for his life and was "scared to death" by earlier violence he had witnessed. A video of Fields being interrogated after the crash showed him sobbing and hyperventilating after he was told a woman had died and others were seriously injured.

The jury will reconvene Monday to determine a sentence. Jurors can recommend from 20 years to life in prison.

Fields is eligible for the death penalty if convicted of separate federal hate crime charges. No trial has on those charges has been scheduled yet.

Still awaiting trial for the Federal hate charges and if convicted of those as well, Fields will be getting the death penalty.