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ThatOneDude

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Is it not generally accepted at this point that vaccinating the people most likely to die first, makes the most sense?
I would think teachers would count as front line workers. Kids are little germ factories, you know this though. The quicker we get teachers vaccinated, the faster kids are back in school, faster parents can more easily earn a living and/or not have to pay for extra care they normally wouldn't have to.
 

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I would think teachers would count as front line workers. Kids are little germ factories, you know this though. The quicker we get teachers vaccinated, the faster kids are back in school, faster parents can more easily earn a living and/or not have to pay for extra care they normally wouldn't have to.
I’m very lucky in the fact that I have free childcare and my son is killing it in virtual school. All the cases at my son’s school are staff members and there have been a ton in the last month. Most of the teachers on quarantine teach from home, but those kids in classrooms have to go somewhere and the teachers still in the school have to take them on. One grade level only has four teachers because one quit at the beginning of the year (there is a hiring freeze), they each have 12-16 kids in person, and when three of the four were quarantined, teaching from home, the one left had to supervise all the kids. If they were vaccinated, this wouldn’t be an issue.
If they hired more teachers, it also wouldn’t be an issue but even with the need, they won’t.
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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I would think teachers would count as front line workers. Kids are little germ factories, you know this though. The quicker we get teachers vaccinated, the faster kids are back in school, faster parents can more easily earn a living and/or not have to pay for extra care they normally wouldn't have to.
If you can work from home, you're not a frontline worker. It's shouldn't be a controversial statement to say that vaccinations should be offered to those most at risk, and those required to be out of their homes to keep society functioning before it should be going to anyone else. School teachers fall into neither of those categories, so they can kick rocks.
 

ThatOneDude

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If you can work from home, you're not a frontline worker. It's shouldn't be a controversial statement to say that vaccinations should be offered to those most at risk, and those required to be out of their homes to keep society functioning before it should be going to anyone else. School teachers fall into neither of those categories, so they can kick rocks.
I disagree to an extent, but I understand your point of view.
 

FINGERS

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If you can work from home, you're not a frontline worker. It's shouldn't be a controversial statement to say that vaccinations should be offered to those most at risk, and those required to be out of their homes to keep society functioning before it should be going to anyone else. School teachers fall into neither of those categories, so they can kick rocks.
That's a really dumb thing to say.

Teachers are a massive asset to any society.

I assume you don't have children?
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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I disagree to an extent, but I understand your point of view.
How? I'm not being a smart ass, I honestly don't see what there is to disagree with. The priority should be to protect those most likely to die from covid, not people who don't like working from home.
 

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How? I'm not being a smart ass, I honestly don't see what there is to disagree with. The priority should be to protect those most likely to die from covid, not people who don't like working from home.
so short sighted .
 

ThatOneDude

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How? I'm not being a smart ass, I honestly don't see what there is to disagree with. The priority should be to protect those most likely to die from covid, not people who don't like working from home.
I outlined my opinion earlier, but basically if we vaccinate teachers it's gets kids back in school, which frees up parents to work more and spend less money on child care that they normally don't have to pay for.
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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I outlined my opinion earlier, but basically if we vaccinate teachers it's gets kids back in school, which frees up parents to work more and spend less money on child care that they normally don't have to pay for.
Teachers can go back to school without being vaccinated ahead of people who need it more.
 

ThatOneDude

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Teachers can go back to school without being vaccinated ahead of people who need it more.
Well as you and I both know, kids are germ factories, so vaccinating the teachers is probably a good thing.
 

gangsterkathryn

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How? I'm not being a smart ass, I honestly don't see what there is to disagree with. The priority should be to protect those most likely to die from covid, not people who don't like working from home.
It’s not that teachers don’t like working from home, it’s that in some areas, they literally aren’t allowed to work from home. My aunt is a cancer survivor on medication that severely impacts her immune system, and she had to appeal three times to be able to teach from home, and then last month, they told her she had to return to school or go on an extended leave of absence.
 

ThatOneDude

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Neither kids, not teachers under a certain age are likely to die from covid.
Is death the only outcome? Isn't it more valuable to us all if teachers are in the classroom teaching instead of home sick with the rona?
 

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Give me a reason why it's a really dumb thing to say beyond an emotional response.
just break it down.

the most important thing is getting children back to school. A lot of teachers are worried about going back as it may kill them.

I don’t necessarily agree with that but children are losing a lot more for not Being with their friends and learning than an adult staying at home.

plus as the ptsd victim says. Freeing up a child to go to school allows the parent back to work.

we have to get society working again.

that begins with schools imo, it’s the most important thing
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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Is death the only outcome?
Death is the most significant outcome. Don't be obtuse.

Isn't it more valuable to us all if teachers are in the classroom teaching instead of home sick with the rona?
No, it isn't. If it were they would have been deemed essential last year like the essential workers who are once again being treated as Rona-fodder. Food is more important than education.
 

ThatOneDude

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Death is the most significant outcome. Don't be obtuse.



No, it isn't. If it were they would have been deemed essential last year like the essential workers who are once again being treated as Rona-fodder. Food is more important than education.
I disagree
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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I disagree
Maybe some words from your neighbor will help you come to your senses:

CDC showed that essential industries with ages 40+ had the same percentage of overall deaths due to covid19 as 70+
There are fewer raw number deaths in that group but COVID19 is the same likelihood of dying vs other causes in that group.
Logistically we need society to hold together food as much as the healthcare system.
Treat the essential industries. They are owed for holding us together in the unknown earlier this year anyways and don't have retirement checks that allow them to stay home like 65+
CDC said:
healthcare and nursing homes
essential workers 40+ (they define the industry based on data collected)
65+
then down the list
 

ThatOneDude

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I'll never understand the justifications being given for not protecting the most vulnerable as a priority.
You can't guilt trip me, I'm Jewish, I've had people try to guilt trip me my whole life.
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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You can't guilt trip me, I'm Jewish, I've had people try to guilt tripme my whole life.
It's not a guilt trip, it's an honest statement. If I have one vaccine, and 2 people. 1 likely to die if they get covid, and 1 not. I'm giving it to the one more likely to die even if it's inconvenient for me.
 

ThatOneDude

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It's not a guilt trip, it's an honest statement. If I have one vaccine, and 2 people. 1 likely to die if they get covid, and 1 not. I'm giving it to the one more likely to die even if it's inconvenient for me.
I think due to how fucked this whole thing has been handled we need to do the most good in terms of getting society back to normal.