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Shinkicker

Shinkicker

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BeardOfKnowledge said:
If you're coughing you're more likely to spread the virus. For reference the time I got the most sick from the flu I got it from someone who showed no symptoms until 48 hours after I had contact with them. So...



40% is the reported average.



Even if we assume 16% is correct, shit, let's say 10%. If I told you "Hey, this vaccine will make it 10% less likely you get an illness that sucks and there's no downside." what rational case can be made against it?
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Btw, that efficacy number gets repeated using different terms. But if you read the CDC’s actual statement it says 40% efficacy in preventing hospitalization, not ‘illness’.

A meta-analysis of data from five seasons (2010-2014) estimated VE of 41% (95% CI, 34-48) for prevention of flu hospitalizations in adults aged 18 years and older and VE of 51% (95% CI, 44-58) among adults aged 18-64 years. These results suggest that vaccination decreased the risk of severe flu by half in this age group and by one-third among older adults [43].


www.cdc.gov

How Flu Vaccine Effectiveness and Efficacy are Measured

Flu vaccine effectiveness & efficacy show how well flu vaccines work.
www.cdc.gov www.cdc.gov
 
BeardOfKnowledge

BeardOfKnowledge

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Jul 22, 2015
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Shinkicker said:
So you believe that if I and an immune compromised person (or elderly) get the same flu shot, then catch the same flu strain, we will get the same immune response? Or the same amount of sickness/symptoms from it?
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Serious question, do you know why the efficacy varies year over year?
 
Hauler

Hauler

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Feb 3, 2016
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Rambo John J said:
I don't see any reason to take it at all.
+ I saw a family friend get the Bells from it.
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My buddy has been dealing with Bells for quite a while now. Not sure if it's from the jab but he did get it (the Covid one - not sure if he got the regular flu jab)

He never got Covid that he knows of.

Sad shit. He has no idea if it will ever go away.
 
Shinkicker

Shinkicker

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Think about this.

The 2020-2021 flu season

The rate of vaccination was down in children 17 and under.

Still, Approx 60% of that age group received the vaccine.

The flu vaccine efficacy was so bad the CDC won’t even publish the numbers.

One scientist compared it to the year that we only had 6% efficacy. Another said it was virtually ineffective altogether.

So, we know that only 60% of children got the vaccine, a vaccine that was useless.

Only 1 child died from the flu during this season.

The previous record low was 32 children.
 
BeardOfKnowledge

BeardOfKnowledge

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Jul 22, 2015
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Shinkicker said:
You can’t spin you’re way out of this. Lol
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If someone is having a discussion about the relevance of a stat and then decides "Well, I don't believe the stats are real anyways." there isn't a discussion to be had. It is, what it is.
 
BeardOfKnowledge

BeardOfKnowledge

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Jul 22, 2015
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Shinkicker said:
Think about this.

The 2020-2021 flu season

The rate of vaccination was down in children 17 and under.

Still, Approx 60% of that age group received the vaccine.

The flu vaccine efficacy was so bad the CDC won’t even publish the numbers.

One scientist compared it to the year that we only had 6% efficacy. Another said it was virtually ineffective altogether.

So, we know that only 60% of children got the vaccine, a vaccine that was useless.

Only 1 child died from the flu during this season.

The previous record low was 32 children.
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It's almost as if locking people in their homes has a drastic impact on data collection of communicable diseases. Who'd a thunk it?
 
Shinkicker

Shinkicker

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BeardOfKnowledge said:
If someone is having a discussion about the relevance of a stat and then decides "Well, I don't believe the stats are real anyways." there isn't a discussion to be had. It is, what it is.
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How did you get to the idea that I don’t believe the stats ? The way you worded Your question led me to believe you were about to enlighten me on your version of how it works.

Besides, you can have a conversation about something whether you believe it or not.

Or maybe some people can’t. Lol
 
Shinkicker

Shinkicker

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BeardOfKnowledge said:
It's almost as if locking people in their homes has a drastic impact on data collection of communicable diseases. Who'd a thunk it?
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They know how many flu shots were given. No home data collection needed.

They tested the vaccine against the active strain in circulation. No home data collection needed.

I highly doubt children were dying from the flu in their homes and not telling anyone.


I don’t disagree that lockdowns had an impact on the flu season. But I don’t think data collection has anything to do with what I put out there.
 
BeardOfKnowledge

BeardOfKnowledge

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Jul 22, 2015
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Shinkicker said:
They know how many flu shots were given. No home data collection needed.

They tested the vaccine against the active strain in circulation. No home data collection needed.

I highly doubt children were dying from the flu in their homes and not telling anyone.


I don’t disagree that lockdowns had an impact on the flu season. But I don’t think data collection has anything to do with what I put out there.
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There was way less flu over that period than there normally would be. That will cause statistics to be skewed. We also know there were fewer flu tests being done.

Bearing both of those things in mind. If flu deaths drop to their lowest number ever, how do you equate that with low efficacy?
 
Hauler

Hauler

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Feb 3, 2016
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BeardOfKnowledge said:
There was way less flu over that period than there normally would be. That will cause statistics to be skewed. We also know there were fewer flu tests being done.

Bearing both of those things in mind. If flu deaths drop to their lowest number ever, how do you equate that with low efficacy?
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You don't have the flu.
You have Covid.

Hospitals:

 
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