General Corona virus updates

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I've talked about this before. The fallacy of "just protect the vulnerable" is that without testing, you have zero ability to do that. They can't avoid infection as density becomes too high.

If someone is arguing for this and they aren't also arguing for massive testing, they are actually arguing you to doing nothing.


And we are there in some many regions:

If you live in these areas, you lose the ability to go somewhere and not be infected at a high rate. And this will get worse. It's arguing for doing nothing because it is doing nothing. It will overwhelm the small personal interventions like masks and handwashing. The only working avoidance will be personal lockdowns aka you're not safe from infection except at home and maybe not there depending on family. Kind of a microcosm of the failure at large, in which you could slow case doubling and separate sick with large testing, but without it end up with sloppy harmful lockdowns.
 
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"protect the vulnerable" results in ages 50+ avoiding grocery stores, well exams, etc. unless you have risk mitigation strategies for thos items.
This is the crowd that needs colorectal cancer screening as well. You need federal guidance directing this kind of stuff. Public health is about all comers of harm and minimizing it. In this case the government should be advising strategies to clinics on how to get these patients in safely and (in your case with a centralized system) mailing to patients the strategy, how the risk is lowered, and how they still should do their preventative medical stuff despite coronavrius existing.

The issue with doing this at the clinic level is some clinics will do very well. Some will not. Coordinated messaging is needed to both minimize risks and to give confidence in direction.
 
@Splinty , I have had the thought from the beginning that I will almost certainly catch COVID-19 at some point, but I have to do all I can to delay getting it as long as possible so that the treatments are better. Does that sound like a rational line of thought?

I guess it doesn’t matter, just as long as I’m doing my best to be as safe as possible. It doesn’t matter whether I see catching it as an inevitability. At the same time, I do wonder what the actual smart and informed people think. Is catching this ultimately inevitable?
 
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@Splinty , I have had the thought from the beginning that I will almost certainly catch COVID-19 at some point, but I have to do all I can to delay getting it as long as possible so that the treatments are better. Does that sound like a rational line of thought?
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This is all any of us can do at a personal level.
Buying time means that you might stay negative until a vaccine is available.
It means treatments getting better which includes just doctors getting familiar with disease.
It also means staying away from those early overruns where you get harmed from limited resources.
It also not being an infection source for others around you. So all that is stuff that is good by delaying.



MMAPlaywright said:
Is catching this ultimately inevitable?
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It doesn't have to be. And hopefully most of us won't catch it. It's a race to a vaccine or treatment that makes catching it so minimal as to ameliorate risk to that of your usual daily life.
 

View: https://youtu.be/3EJ2B8x8zSw


Free to watch through election day.


One of the most interesting things in this whole documentary is watching the PPE buying process self-implode.

federal government refuses to get to involved. Because there aren't large massive purchase orders from something like a government entity manufacturers do not spin up their factories in overdrive.
50 individual states start trying to buy PPE. All of a sudden there's bidding wars amongst each other.
And then this gets repeated internationally. We try to get PPE and without any federal guidance and planning to expedite normal processes, an already poor process (they literally just used some volunteers) fails as other countries are showing up with consultants and agents offering briefcases full of cash to buy PPE from manufacturers immediately.

Lots of the stuff that occurred was in the news and we talked about it in this thread. But this documentary highlights behind the scenes of how those various actions came to be and what we should have done and should do in the future.
 
Splinty said:
In this case the government should be advising strategies to clinics on how to get these patients in safely
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Our government is still in the "Lockdowns are better than testing. Why you mad?" phase. To be fair, they've only had 8 months to come up with a reasonable strategy.
 
So the official statistics today say we are 1k of deaths above the 5 year average.....

1 thousand.

one thousand.

tens of millions of people have lost a year of their lives, their jobs, their education. Because of an extra 1k of deaths.

just bizarre.
 
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