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Jdog93

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Just took my wife to the drive thru rabid I mean rapid testing today. She has been complaining about headaches,slight fever, and chills. No trouble breathing as like I said she has been complaining. It was only a few days but they have testing nearby so we took the opportunity.

Well it came back negative. I probably should have got tested but I have no symptoms. Just my usual bad seasonal allergies.

I don't know what to think as I have read about all this bogus test results. I think it we will give a couple of days and go get tested together at another Drive In movie I mean drive in test.


Crazy times.
 

Thuglife13

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Dec 15, 2018
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How do you feel about non-smoking establishments?

If they can smell your smoke, they can possibly catch your corona.
Well I don't believe this is a hoax I just believe it's over-blown. I wear a mask when I have to because here in California it's pretty much mandatory everywhere you go...

I personally think smoking sucks but it's funny how it's okay to make fun of smokers but you can't fat-shame people now thanks to body positive bs...
 

Thuglife13

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NYT: Study Finds That Masks Do Not Protect Wearers


A new study from Danish researchers found that mask-wearers were not protected from becoming infected by the novel coronavirus more than their mask-less counterparts, contradicting the mainstream consensus, including that of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

“Researchers in Denmark reported on Wednesday that surgical masks did not protect the wearers against infection with the coronavirus in a large randomized clinical trial,” The New York Times reported Wednesday.


The Times noted that the study, published in the Annals of Internal Medicine, “did not contradict growing evidence that masks can prevent transmission of the virus from wearer to others,” though it’s “conclusion is at odds with the view that masks also protect the wearers — a position endorsed just last week by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.”

View: https://twitter.com/JamesTodaroMD/status/1329084994820608002
 
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Thor Georgeos

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Jul 22, 2015
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NYT: Study Finds That Masks Do Not Protect Wearers


A new study from Danish researchers found that mask-wearers were not protected from becoming infected by the novel coronavirus more than their mask-less counterparts, contradicting the mainstream consensus, including that of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

“Researchers in Denmark reported on Wednesday that surgical masks did not protect the wearers against infection with the coronavirus in a large randomized clinical trial,” The New York Times reported Wednesday.


The Times noted that the study, published in the Annals of Internal Medicine, “did not contradict growing evidence that masks can prevent transmission of the virus from wearer to others,” though it’s “conclusion is at odds with the view that masks also protect the wearers — a position endorsed just last week by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.”
 

nuraknu

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Jul 20, 2016
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NYT: Study Finds That Masks Do Not Protect Wearers


A new study from Danish researchers found that mask-wearers were not protected from becoming infected by the novel coronavirus more than their mask-less counterparts, contradicting the mainstream consensus, including that of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).

“Researchers in Denmark reported on Wednesday that surgical masks did not protect the wearers against infection with the coronavirus in a large randomized clinical trial,” The New York Times reported Wednesday.


The Times noted that the study, published in the Annals of Internal Medicine, “did not contradict growing evidence that masks can prevent transmission of the virus from wearer to others,” though it’s “conclusion is at odds with the view that masks also protect the wearers — a position endorsed just last week by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.”

View: https://twitter.com/JamesTodaroMD/status/1329084994820608002
I do not understand? This study is about surgical masks, which I thought we have known for months don't protect you, but protect others from your droplets. Only the n95/kn95/n99 etc protect you, right? Isn't that even what the funny mask poster meme pretty much says too?

The study says the surgical masks didn't help a lot in a community with uncommon general mask use. So that just pretty much backs up what we already knew about surgical masks?

I do not get why this is controversial now or why the cdc would say something else now.
 

Thuglife13

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I do not understand? This study is about surgical masks, which I thought we have known for months don't protect you, but protect others from your droplets. Only the n95/kn95/n99 etc protect you, right? Isn't that even what the funny mask poster meme pretty much says too?

The study says the surgical masks didn't help a lot in a community with uncommon general mask use. So that just pretty much backs up what we already knew about surgical masks?

I do not get why this is controversial now or why the cdc would say something else now.
Well from that article it says...

it’s “conclusion is at odds with the view that masks also protect the wearers — a position endorsed just last week by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.”

So there's so much confusion going on.

It was so controversial that no one was willing to go out on a limb and publish the results until now...

View: https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1317875526997102594




 

nuraknu

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Well from that article it says...

it’s “conclusion is at odds with the view that masks also protect the wearers — a position endorsed just last week by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.”

So there's so much confusion going on.

It was so controversial that no one was willing to go out on a limb and publish the results until now...

View: https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1317875526997102594
Yeah I don't get it. It's not news.

So now that they've decided everyone should wear masks they are lying and saying the regular masks protect you in order to get people to wear them? The same way they lied when they didn't want people to wear them?

There was a point at which the cdc I think was being honest and saying people should wear masks to protect others but save the n95 masks for healthcare workers since they actually protect you, or something like that.

I haven't read their latest, but this suggests the cdc went back to lying to manipulate people? Why?
 

Inside Job

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Yeah I don't get it. It's not news.

So now that they've decided everyone should wear masks they are lying and saying the regular masks protect you in order to get people to wear them? The same way they lied when they didn't want people to wear them?

There was a point at which the cdc I think was being honest and saying people should wear masks to protect others but save the n95 masks for healthcare workers since they actually protect you, or something like that.

I haven't read their latest, but this suggests the cdc went back to lying to manipulate people? Why?
did you read the actual study or just the NYT article?
actual study is in post #24,781 of this thread
 

Thuglife13

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Yeah I don't get it. It's not news.

So now that they've decided everyone should wear masks they are lying and saying the regular masks protect you in order to get people to wear them? The same way they lied when they didn't want people to wear them?

There was a point at which the cdc I think was being honest and saying people should wear masks to protect others but save the n95 masks for healthcare workers since they actually protect you, or something like that.

I haven't read their latest, but this suggests the cdc went back to lying to manipulate people? Why?
Yep it's such a mindfuck and I think they should've always stuck to the second thing you said...

"There was a point at which the cdc I think was being honest and saying people should wear masks to protect others but save the n95 masks for healthcare workers since they actually protect you, or something like that."


did you read the actual study or just the NYT article?
actual study is in post #24,781 of this thread
Sorry bruddah didn't know that was the same study. Didn't mean to steal your thunder...

:cheers:
 

Willthiswork

I'd rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies.
Aug 7, 2015
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What the article is saying without saying it is....



Get ready for another PPE shortage as the hospitalizations are surging.

Several locations I've been to in the last week have been out of caps/bouffants and have went back to rationing masks.

So fun times are coming!
 

Hauler

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Feb 3, 2016
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AstraZeneca has a vaccine for older folks.

JNJ expects their vaccine to be ready by February.

That makes 4 with BioNTech/Pfizer and Moderna.
 

Hauler

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Feb 3, 2016
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Kentucky is losing their minds.

Schools closed the rest of the year.
No dine-in restaurants.
Bars closed.
Gyms limited to 33.3333% capacity.
Indoor gatherings limited to 8 people, so if you have a family of 10 you have to kick 2 people out.

Funerals/Weddings limited to 25.

Meanwhile, also in Kentucky...

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ThatOneDude

Commander in @Chief, Dick Army
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Jan 14, 2015
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Kentucky is losing their minds.

Schools closed the rest of the year.
No dine-in restaurants.
Bars closed.
Gyms limited to 33.3333% capacity.
Indoor gatherings limited to 8 people, so if you have a family of 10 you have to kick 2 people out.

Funerals/Weddings limited to 25.

Meanwhile, also in Kentucky...

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Rural Arkansas is like that picture, there are also areas that are having to close medical facilities because everyone there is sick. It's not good.
 

Willthiswork

I'd rather have 4 quarters than 100 pennies.
Aug 7, 2015
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Kentucky is losing their minds.

Schools closed the rest of the year.
No dine-in restaurants.
Bars closed.
Gyms limited to 33.3333% capacity.
Indoor gatherings limited to 8 people, so if you have a family of 10 you have to kick 2 people out.

Funerals/Weddings limited to 25.

Meanwhile, also in Kentucky...

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Nothing to worry about. This guy has it under control.


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Hauler

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I haven't read their latest, but this suggests the cdc went back to lying to manipulate people? Why?
Probably because they know people are selfish. If folks know it does little to protect them from anything, and is only meant to protect others, they are assuming most won't bother with it.

So they lie, which people see right through with all the contradictory statements and goalpost moving - which results in people just throwing up the middle finger and saying "F your masks, bro!"
 

Shinkicker

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Jan 30, 2016
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Yeah I don't get it. It's not news.

So now that they've decided everyone should wear masks they are lying and saying the regular masks protect you in order to get people to wear them? The same way they lied when they didn't want people to wear them?

There was a point at which the cdc I think was being honest and saying people should wear masks to protect others but save the n95 masks for healthcare workers since they actually protect you, or something like that.

I haven't read their latest, but this suggests the cdc went back to lying to manipulate people? Why?
CDC website still recommends masks to protect others. I'm not sure where they endorsed anything otherwise.
 

Shinkicker

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Jan 30, 2016
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I do not understand? This study is about surgical masks, which I thought we have known for months don't protect you, but protect others from your droplets. Only the n95/kn95/n99 etc protect you, right? Isn't that even what the funny mask poster meme pretty much says too?

The study says the surgical masks didn't help a lot in a community with uncommon general mask use. So that just pretty much backs up what we already knew about surgical masks?

I do not get why this is controversial now or why the cdc would say something else now.
Well another study did imply that masks can help protect you.

A systematic review of observational studies reported that mask use reduced risk for SARS, Middle East respiratory syndrome, and COVID-19 by 66% overall, 70% in health care workers, and 44% in the community (12). However, surgical and cloth masks were grouped in preventive studies, and none of the 3 included non–health care studies related directly to COVID-19

So this study was just non-health people and the results....

A total of 3030 participants were randomly assigned to the recommendation to wear masks, and 2994 were assigned to control; 4862 completed the study. Infection with SARS-CoV-2 occurred in 42 participants recommended masks (1.8%) and 53 control participants.

So 42 of the 3030 that were assigned to wear masks outside either tested positive or had antibodies by the end of the study. Take away the participants who had antibodies at the beginning, or didn't send their sample in at the beginning, and the number is 33.

However, they break numbers down even more later on in the article.....


Three post hoc (not preplanned) analyses were done. In the first, which included only participants reporting wearing face masks “exactly as instructed,” infection (the primary outcome) occurred in 22 participants (2.0%) in the face mask group and 53 (2.1%) in the control group

47% percent of the mask wearers admitted to not doing it all the time.

But they do break the numbers down really well and seem fair in the article.
 
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