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RaginCajun

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Oct 25, 2015
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Such a random hate.

Why do the right hate women so much?
It is quite strange really. My guess is they hate women because they were rejected by them when they were younger. Maybe that is why they worship Trump as a god, because he has had success with women.
 

RaginCajun

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Oct 25, 2015
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If the Dems had brought half the energy to beating Trump that they have to undercutting Bernie, they'd be in a very different position. It's dirty ball until the convention.
They did Bernie even worse during the last election.
 

FINGERS

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Nov 14, 2019
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and Kennedy was called a communist too...

What I don't get about the republican voter is their absolute outrage at taxing the rich.

A guy earning 30k a year is screaming blue murder that it's an affront to tax someone 52% on earnings AFTER they've earned their first 20 million in a year.

How were they so conditioned to think this way? Its mind boggling.
 

FINGERS

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If the Dems had brought half the energy to beating Trump that they have to undercutting Bernie, they'd be in a very different position. It's dirty ball until the convention.

But I can see their point. The moderate dem has been conditioned to hate socialism.

They won't vote Bernie.
 

Zeph

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Jan 22, 2015
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Conspiracy theory time-
If I were trying to decrease the chances of Bernie getting the required number of delegates, I would want Steyer out (assuming the few African Americans that were voting for him are more likely to switch to Biden, Pete out (moderates more likely to transitional Biden), and both Warren and Amy to stay in for the time being to make it less likely that Bernie wins Minn and Mass.

Bloomberg is useful because he is railing against Bernie every chance he gets, but is so unlikable that no one seems inclined to vote for him.

I have not heard Pete or Tom endorse anyone yet, the smart move would be to wait until at least after Tuesday make sure they endorse someone viable.
Pete's supporters are pretty evenly spread on second choice. 21% Bernie, 19% Biden and Warren, and 17% Bloomberg.
 

kneeblock

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Apr 18, 2015
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But I can see their point. The moderate dem has been conditioned to hate socialism.

They won't vote Bernie.
Realistically most of what I hear from moderates isn't a hatred of socialism. It's just leftover bile from the 2016 election and the perceived role of Sanders and supporters in costing Clinton her coronation. It was the same with the way Nader was castigated by the Centrists who inaccurately blamed Gore's loss on him. Realistically, most liberal democrats would favor socializing a few key things, as would many people who identify as conservative, according to polling. It's just that the team sports aspect of politics has got them practicing a weird kind of anti-fandom right now, which as MMA fans, we're used to seeing with unconventional fighters. The Democratic party apparatus also has financial incentives for opposing Sanders' candidacy, even if they personally support aspects of his program. For one, they fear the Conservatives in this country and believe in their hearts that many of them are incapable of voting in their best interests. It's that belief that makes them lean into issues that don't alienate big spenders because they feel their influence on media buying will easily sway a significant percentage of the population. The problem is we've known since the 1950s that media effects just don't work like that. People's decision making, especially in electoral politics, is much more complex. The party apparatus may be right this time around. Who knows? Trump proved what modern media influence can do, but there were also the negatives of Clinton driving the last election cycle. Whatever happens with Biden and Sanders now will be the litmus test of what the voting Democrats have to say to the party apparatus and their theory of the electorate. Then the messaging tests begin all over again in the general election.
 

regular john

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May 21, 2015
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you never miss a opportunity to defend communism
you on the other hand always miss the opportunity to bring up any valid argument defending whatever it is that you defend.

I just quoted you glorifying a communist.
 

jason73

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Jan 15, 2015
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you on the other hand always miss the opportunity to bring up any valid argument defending whatever it is that you defend.

I just quoted you glorifying a communist.
why dont you move to cuba if you feel that way about communism?