General From a purely political strategy standpoint, how does the Democratic Party win elections?

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kneeblock

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What do you make of the decline in Democrat identity during Obama's two terms?

Do you think staying the course will regain people wanting to be affiliated with the party, or will it simply be enough to grab independents because the GOP is self-destructing?
What does the decline in Democratic identity mean?

I think the latter. GOP is probably going to lose some independents in 2020. Not so sure about the midterms though. The Dems ground game has been weak and they're misreading the terrain.
 
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What does the decline in Democratic identity mean?

I mean that several polls, such as pew, show a party identity decline. People that said they were Democrats at the beginning of Obama's term no longer identify as such.

This occurred for the GOP around bush. And then occurred at about the same rate during Obama for the Democrats. This leaves independents as the largest voting Bloc with no party allegiance.

My point is that the Democratic brand is on the decline. So staying the course will not be obvious to increase the brand. So staying the course you are relying on either the GOP to implode further, or that you believed staying the course will grab more independents than any other moves.
 

kneeblock

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Then there's this option. Maybe you just believe that the message isn't getting out.
That's what I believe. Dems got cocky and it cost them. I haven't seen the Pew polls about declining registration or self-identification during Obama's term, but I would be interested to see them overlayed with geography. Dems seem to be clustering in urban areas and that too is basically writing off swaths of the country under the electoral college system to Republicans. I believe GOP is primed to blow soon under this POTUS. Dems can stay the course on their policy planks, but need to think locally and act locally to win over the electorate. At this point being a democrat or a republican seems basically meaningless, I'd wager, to many people historically linked to either party. It's why I favor more parties in Congress and less emphasis on the executive (which ironically this President is also accomplishing).
 

Enock-O-Lypse Now!

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Send Diabold a massively phat check and that should take care of the 2020 Elections.
 

Yossarian

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Sort of.

Pejorative is to be derogatory so it all depends on the context. The meme posted that he's referring to is most certainly meant to be a slight. If somebody refered to Obama as "the first black president" that's not necessarily an insult.
I guess. But it is true that Obama's blackness became a part of his identity, and fully used while pointing out his mistakes. I always thought he was mixed, and he became blacker with each mistake or dissapointment. Like conveniently so. And not with me personally, but just observing the narrative.

But originally we're talking voters here, so yeah, I get your point. Bringing up the race of voters, for ANY purpose is Not the way to go anymore.
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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Jul 22, 2015
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Build an imaginary platform from scratch that would make them competitive.


There's a lot of debate going on about whether the Democrats should move to the center move to further left.

Should they try to mimic Bill Clinton? Should they embrace the Bernie wing?

Read this today:
Opinion | Back to the Center, Democrats


It rejects the move to the left.


Funny enough though:



I actually agree with all of that. But all of that is being claimed by Trump right now.

So what exactly are the Democrats to do?
The same way the domestic manufacturers sell cars. Offer people free shit and when you charge them for it pretend like it's a good deal.
 

Wintermute

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This happens to the losing party after every election.

The Republicans lost this election too. The only winner was Donald.
 

Darqnezz

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People didn't want to vote for Hillary. If they had a more likeable candidate, they would have won.

Additional ideas:
* Obamacare is a cluster fuck. I like the socialised healthcare we have here but it's completely different.
* Give up on the gun control thing. The evidence is against them and it's constitutionally protected.
* Drop the SJW bollocks. There are anti discrimination policies in place, leave it at that.

So those are things to stop doing, cos they piss people off and don't offer much. What they SHOULD be campaigning on is:
* Keeping minimum wage in line with the rest of the western world. Not this $15/hr nonsense but raising it sensibly.
* Highlighting that illegal immigration has been reducing and they will continue to reduce it.
* Regulating universities to keep their fees reasonable so that more people from working class backgrounds can afford higher education.
* Regulating the broken health insurance system so that you (or your employer) aren't paying a third of your salary in premiums.
* Reducing the insane level of military spending to invest back into the people. More money for schools, emergency services and possibly subsidising your healthcare system. This would be a tough sell, so it would have to be marketed properly.
Nope. Your ideas make way too much sense. Liberals are stuck in a never ending loop of stupidity.
 

SongExotic2

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Elven spell broken.

I thought the pink abbo stick had whacked me
 

Leigh

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Nope. Your ideas make way too much sense. Liberals are stuck in a never ending loop of stupidity.
LOL I think you get intelligent people and stupid people on both sides of the political spectrum.
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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People didn't want to vote for Hillary. If they had a more likeable candidate, they would have won.

Additional ideas:
* Obamacare is a cluster fuck. I like the socialised healthcare we have here but it's completely different.
* Give up on the gun control thing. The evidence is against them and it's constitutionally protected.
* Drop the SJW bollocks. There are anti discrimination policies in place, leave it at that.

So those are things to stop doing, cos they piss people off and don't offer much. What they SHOULD be campaigning on is:
* Keeping minimum wage in line with the rest of the western world. Not this $15/hr nonsense but raising it sensibly.
* Highlighting that illegal immigration has been reducing and they will continue to reduce it.
* Regulating universities to keep their fees reasonable so that more people from working class backgrounds can afford higher education.
* Regulating the broken health insurance system so that you (or your employer) aren't paying a third of your salary in premiums.
* Reducing the insane level of military spending to invest back into the people. More money for schools, emergency services and possibly subsidising your healthcare system. This would be a tough sell, so it would have to be marketed properly.
We're still on schedule for opening our own country, correct?
 
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Start with getting a candidate with some integrity. Hilbot was a degenerate piece of shit with a paper mâché facade that fell apart as the election ran on. I like Bernie and would've loved to see him run against Trump but I think his socialistic ideas are too radical for the general public to get behind.

Find a close to centre politician within or outside the party who has the core democratic beliefs, who would be a good president, who isn't a plastic puppet of the party and get behind them in a big way.

The American people will give dems another chance if they deserve it but if they carry on ad naseum they will tank once again.

You're going to love 2018
Hillary Clinton looks for her role in midterms
 

Disciplined Galt

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I want to see a Chelsea push. Which sounds like a euphemism for taking a shit. Hmm.
 
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. I believe GOP is primed to blow soon under this POTUS.

This is surely true and Trump voters by and large are okay with this, so I expect it to accelerate.

but need to think locally and act locally to win over the electorate. At
I agree the Democratic voters are clustering in urban areas, but that's likely due to policies being obviously more targeted to the groups there. I would just take gun laws, for instance. The urban versus small town view isn't just cultural, but tangible. Urban centers bring a shared risk of all kinds of things that aren't really true in smaller cities. So those policies are more attractive.

What does this thinking locally mean? Just highlighting different policy planks for the locale?

If you're a middle class white family in a 50k Pennsylvania or Midwest town, what do the Democrats say to flip from red to blue?

At this point being a democrat or a republican seems basically meaningless, I'd wager, to many people historically linked to either party. It's why I favor more parties in Congress and less emphasis on the executive (which ironically this President is also accomplishing).
Can't argue against that.
 

kneeblock

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This is surely true and Trump voters by and large are okay with this, so I expect it to accelerate.



I agree the Democratic voters are clustering in urban areas, but that's likely due to policies being obviously more targeted to the groups there. I would just take gun laws, for instance. The urban versus small town view isn't just cultural, but tangible. Urban centers bring a shared risk of all kinds of things that aren't really true in smaller cities. So those policies are more attractive.

What does this thinking locally mean? Just highlighting different policy planks for the locale?

If you're a middle class white family in a 50k Pennsylvania or Midwest town, what do the Democrats say to flip from red to blue?



Can't argue against that.
Thinking locally means pushing progressive policies at the local and regional level to demonstrate that they can actually work. Many non-urban centers have never seen the benefit of robust social supports, organized labor, or public works programs. Many communities can't afford them from their shrinking tax base. If the DNC wants to make serious headway they should dump money into launching such programs through their surrogates at the local level, particularly in districts where they're outnumbered. This is a much better use of spending than the bottomless pit of political campaigns.
 
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Of course third way democrats would.

Didn't know them.

I have a hard time finding any polling that suggests going anywhere but job jobs jobs is a path for political success. Got anything of the sort?

Seems people "want" to vote for the Democratic party often, but many things in the way -- real or imagined.