Discussion in 'The Off-topic Lounge' started by MMAPlaywright, Sep 24, 2019.
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You are retarded
Not sure where you’re getting that number
Lets get back on track.
Brutal new poll shows 3 in 10 Republicans support Trump impeachment push
A wise man once said, stop being an ass.
Well, he did it, right? He publicly stated that he asked them to look into Biden's involvement. I mean, I get that they're all shady but at least don't be obvious about it and act like you're above the law. That will piss the electorate off pretty quickly.
This reminds me of how the whole Russiagate thing started;
MOUNTAINS of horrifying stinking dirt came out about Hillary, Podestas, Clintons etc... but the focus was immediately shifted 100% from looking into that dirt whatsoever (covered it all up in fact), and all attention re-directed to who may or may not have leaked the dirt illegally to 'interfere with elections'. STILL no one looks at those DNC crimes, pretend they are not there even though they are 1000x worse than whatever collusion may or may not have occurred to leak them.
Now we have proof that actual collusion was done by Biden involving billions of dollars (ACTUAL money transactions and admitted interference with foreign Attorney Generals)... but oh no lets pretend that's not real and focus on a phone call instead.
New whistleblower memo:
Memo from separate whistleblower?
You must have missed this classic post breaking the news
Actually that's the memo from the first whistleblower, but there's another yet to be revealed.
Yes but it’s the source of the first one. Basically someone told someone what happened. That person came forward first. Now the person who told them is coming forward. He could have told 30 more people but it’s all the same source.
My apologies on the wording.
It is from the first whisteblower and is meant to show they have a memorialized conversation from that time period, not some new bias with bad recollection.
whistleblower #1 and whistleblower #2
I believe this new memo is from the same first whistleblower. It is a memo they wrote after talking to officials directly on the phone call.
The timeline and detail is of importance because credibility goes up if somebody has recorded things fresh. The original memo from this person says they talked to many people after this that all verified. But this is a time stamp from July.
The second whistleblower is unknown and it's not clear that #2 is the same white house official this person references. As such, if #2 has direct knowledge of the call it might not be the same source.
Don’t we have a transcript of the call?
If we do I don’t care what someone’s feeling were.
Since this exists, unless this new transcript comes up disagreeing, we must assume the trump released transcript is accurate. You can't hide a second transcript for long under these pretenses.
Doesn't change that the transcript was apparently unusually moved to a classified server.
whistle blower #3 will be whistleblower#2s wife from when he went home and told her about his day
Intention has been the reason nothing sticks to Trump. He has a halo of people that have gone down and "I didn't intend that" goes a long way on getting you out of quid pro quo. It also matters for the electorate.
If those around Trump have a list of reasons these topics were on the phone call, then Trump can point to his handlers as encouraging topics for unrelated and official reasons.
If the executive branch held up Congressional authorized funds, then acted not just independently as a branch but Trump independently from the rest of the white house, that builds intent on the President himself. If everyone around Trump was not involved in the decision making of this call and topics, you are left with Trump himself directing the holding of funds, asking a non-government employee (Rudy) to negotiate off the record dealing with Ukraine, to investigate Biden. The defense of corruption concerns as a policy fall flat at that point.
If this was truly about corruption, then there should be a white house apparatus in play. These memos increasingly show there was not. Quid pro quo case is being built.
The congressional funds and Rudy are huge problems. Wtf is the explanation on why Rudy, a non-government employee with no clearances being instructed to meet with Ukraine about this?
And don't forget, the bar for impeachment is intentionally NOT criminal. It is broad and ambiguous as a check against the executive doing things that run afoul of congress. Blocking congressional funds (the purse being congress' main power) with an executive shadow policy made for political gain is just about the exact thing impeachment was made. This is going to go poorly for Trump.
Did we talk about this?
White House says it will refuse to cooperate with impeachment inquiry
After that happened I read a bunch of legal scholars, for I am not even close to understanding American legal doctrine. Nixon's process apparently cemented that congress incredibly broad discretion in impeachment processes and that the Supreme court would absolutely come down on the side of congress here.
Beyond that, this seems to me to play poorly with the electorate. The guy will eventual go before Congress and now they will play up that he was originally blocked.