General Lets talk about the Kavanaugh allegations and confirmation

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Kav will be confirmed as Supreme Court Justice???

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MC Gusto said:
This random chick does she also pass a lie detector?
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Sure.
Lie detectors aren't infallable.

If she's a nutjob and she has convinced herself after 36 years of positive reinforcemet that what she is saying is true - she'd pass a detector easy.

Edit: I'm speaking in hypotheticals.
 
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willthiswork said:
Had she been talking to a psychiatrist about it for several years before it came out?

I'd expect people to have a few reservations and maybe pause for a bit before putting me in a position where my judgement can make a difference in the lives of millions. Not even saying that I shouldn't still get the spot... But maybe it's worth looking into a tick.
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Even after you've already spent your entire adult life proving that you're perfectly capable?

For something this dude did when he was 17? Actually he didn't do it - she thinks he was going to do it had the friend not jumped on top of them.

It sets a pretty terrifying precedent.
 
MC Gusto said:
Portions of her therapist's notes, which Ford provided to the Post, do not mention Kavanaugh by name but say Ford reported being attacked by students "from an elitist boys' school" who went on to become "highly respected and high-ranking members of society in Washington."
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So she was attacked by more than one?

I can't help but wonder if this would have been brought up in her therapy session if he hadn't been "a highly respected member of society in Washington."

And do people normally see psychiatrists for marriage counseling?


I believe something happened to this woman. I'm not into victim blaming, but I do wonder about motives for bringing things up sometimes.
 
Hauler said:
Even after you've already spent your entire adult life proving that you're perfectly capable?

For something this dude did when he was 17? Actually he didn't do it - she thinks he was going to do it had the friend not jumped on top of them.

It sets a pretty terrifying precedent.
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I think she has reasonable cause to think he was going to if he had her pinned and was trying to take her clothes off.
 
Shinkicker said:
I think she has reasonable cause to think he was going to if he had her pinned and was trying to take her clothes off.
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Sure. If that's what happened.
Or maybe she was down to get freaky but decided against it when the time came and created the "it wasn't my fault" story in her head, and she's been telling herself that story for so long that now she believes it to be the way it was.
Or maybe she was already getting freaky when the friend walked in and she got embarrassed
Or maybe she was leading Big Brett on and he took it as a green light.
Or maybe Big Brett was a dirt bag and he took liberties that he shouldn't have.

I don't know. I wasn't there. And after 36 years, I'm a little skeptical as to what they will be able to "prove" what did or did not happen.

But the precedent this sets is scary. A guy performs well in his position and is up for a promotion, only to be shot down by an unprovable accusation of an incident that happened 36 years ago when he was a teenager. It's insane.
 
Hauler said:
Even after you've already spent your entire adult life proving that you're perfectly capable?

For something this dude did when he was 17? Actually he didn't do it - she thinks he was going to do it had the friend not jumped on top of them.

It sets a pretty terrifying precedent.
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For a job that's a lifetime appointment? Yes. I'm in favor of not rushing anything regarding those seats and fully vetting any candidate. Let the chips fall where they may but if someone's interpretations of the law will directly impact the entire nation for decades to come then I'm all in favor of exploring all skeletons found in their closets before confirming or rejecting them.
 
willthiswork said:
For a job that's a lifetime appointment? Yes. I'm in favor of not rushing anything regarding those seats and fully vetting any candidate. Let the chips fall where they may but if someone's interpretations of the law will directly impact the entire nation for decades to come then I'm all in favor of exploring all skeletons found in their closets before confirming or rejecting them.
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Fair enough.
I'm glad I'm not being judged for shit I did when I was 17.

I never attempted rape or anything crazy like that, but I did some really stupid shit. Then again, I'm not up for a Supreme Court Nomination.
 
willthiswork said:
For a job that's a lifetime appointment? Yes. I'm in favor of not rushing anything regarding those seats and fully vetting any candidate. Let the chips fall where they may but if someone's interpretations of the law will directly impact the entire nation for decades to come then I'm all in favor of exploring all skeletons found in their closets before confirming or rejecting them.
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So, do you think this 36 year old Skeleton is relevant to the man he is today?
 
willthiswork said:
For a job that's a lifetime appointment? Yes. I'm in favor of not rushing anything regarding those seats and fully vetting any candidate. Let the chips fall where they may but if someone's interpretations of the law will directly impact the entire nation for decades to come then I'm all in favor of exploring all skeletons found in their closets before confirming or rejecting them.
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People change a lot over time. I was very different 17 years ago.
 
Shinkicker said:
So, do you think this 36 year old Skeleton is relevant to the man he is today?
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It could be.

It may have made him a better person.

But what it says to me is that someone should take a look at rulings that he's made in regards to women and women's rights to see if he was fair and in accordance with the law. If so, then vote away.

But if there appears to have been a trend where he judged harshly or overstepped the law and seemed to show that he felt that he could control them then that needs to be addressed and then vote.

For lifetime appointments I think we have to judge based on a lifetime of evidence. What kind of judgement have you shown in your past so that we can see how you've gotten to where you are today and maybe understand who you'll be 20 or 30 years from now...
 
Splinty said:
Sounds like Holton was prep school party and grope central.
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It was very common everywhere in that age. I was raised from early on being taught how to avoid it.

I think you would be hard pressed to find any woman over 40 who has not experienced some sort of sexual aggression and/or assault. And back then, it was common for the victim to be questioned about their actions as well. For example, why was she in that position to begin with. We were held accountable for our actions. And had a responsibility not to put ourselves in obvious compromising positions. That culture changed. I wonder if the number of assaults went down, or if women just stopped telling it.
 
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willthiswork said:
Just trying to see if you've become a better person or more deviant. Following the character arc if you will...
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I have swung the reach of the pendulum. I am a lot less likely to hurt anyone over words nowadays, a lot more likely to go 100%. If you'd like we can take this to PM, don't want to bother these fine folks.
 
Galt said:
I have swung the reach of the pendulum. I am a lot less likely to hurt anyone over words nowadays, a lot more likely to go 100%. If you'd like we can take this to PM, don't want to bother these fine folks.
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You're just trying to find a way to send me a dick pic.

I'm not falling for that again.
 
I know I keep saying that I don't like victim blaming, yet I'm the first to be skeptical of the victim.

I guess what bothers me the most is that the culture feels like it is making "being a victim' more appealing. They are being rewarded by fame or fortune. Why aren't we using these as teaching opportunities for people to avoid being victims in the first place?

Should the offender be held accountable? Hell yes! But apparently we need some teaching on how to prevent these things.
 
Shinkicker said:
Why aren't we using these as teaching opportunities for people to avoid being victims in the first place?
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In a perfect world that's exactly what would be happening with each of these stories that pop up. It's an opportunity to have an uncomfortable conversation with your sons and daughters.
 
willthiswork said:
For lifetime appointments I think we have to judge based on a lifetime of evidence.
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Lifetime appointments are another discussion entirely. For the sake of stability, I get why they aren't every year or even every 4. But lifetime?
 
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