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[Leigh]

I think a one world government would reduce war. Haven't given it much thought though to consider the negatives. They may outweigh that.

I'd like to see a mix of libertarianism and socialism. I know they are contradictory but that's the point. Enough social programs to give people healthcare and reduce hunger, homelessness and poverty. Enough taxation to cover those programs, as well as parks, roads, services etc. Illegal to discriminate in law, education and employment based on race, gender, sexuality, disability. This includes eliminating Affirmative Action. Women have the same military requirements, blacks get no preferential treatment for employment or education.

Low military spending to keep taxes down
Legalisation of recreational drugs
Gun rights
Freedom of religion but no religious based privilege. Eg you can be Muslim but you don't get special breaks at work to pray 5 times a day and you can't go into a bank wearing a mask etc.

 

[Qat]

Be serious now.

I mean serious serious.

Probably even Asia and Africa by now.

Isn't this about right-wing and a united world?

 

[member 3289]

Probably even Asia and Africa by now.

Isn't this about right-wing and a united world?

Yeah you're right let's get back on topic and forget about the Marshall Plan.

 

[Qat]

Yeah you're right let's get back on topic and forget about the Marshall Plan.

You better not misspell one of the legends at my club again, homie.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9QuZMT71yQ

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

I'd like to see a mix of libertarianism and socialism. I know they are contradictory but that's the point. Enough social programs to give people healthcare and reduce hunger, homelessness and poverty. Enough taxation to cover those programs, as well as parks, roads, services etc. Illegal to discriminate in law, education and employment based on race, gender, sexuality, disability. This includes eliminating Affirmative Action. Women have the same military requirements, blacks get no preferential treatment for employment or education.

Low military spending to keep taxes down
Legalisation of recreational drugs
Gun rights
Freedom of religion but no religious based privilege. Eg you can be Muslim but you don't get special breaks at work to pray 5 times a day and you can't go into a bank wearing a mask etc.

I want to live in this world.

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

Europe was war-torn forever, now, not anymore.

Did the Russians not get the memo?

 

[Qat]

Did the Russians not get the memo?

Seems it only went to EU-members. :/

Which kinda is the point.

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

Seems it only went to EU-members. :/

Which kinda is the point.

Europe exists outside of the EU.

 

[Qat]

Europe exists outside of the EU.

Did you just assume what my continent looks like, bro?

 

[Qat]

Europe exists outside of the EU.

But really this is an interesting point. @Splinty talks about creating incentives, positive incentives. Isn't the EU exactly that? And has been for decades? And outside of it, Europe is still unstable? Case in point, you might think. So lets take the two big unions, the US had one civil war, the EU had none. But the argument is that a union creates more war?

Yet 'the right wingers' are for Brexit and for pulling out of NATO? How does that fit? Where is the positive vision? I still haven't seen a good answer to that so far.

 

[member 3289]

Seems it only went to EU-members. :/

Which kinda is the point.

Did the Croatians not get the memo?

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

creating incentives, positive incentives. Isn't the EU exactly that? And has been for decades? And outside of it, Europe is still unstable?

Depends who you ask. One of the biggest members bailing doesn't make it seem very stable. Neither does threatening to throw out under performing members.

the EU had none.

By definition the EU can't have a civil war as they aren't a single country. Having said that, going 25 years without having a major war isn't exactly something that warrants bragging. The EU's members have started 2 world wars in the past 100 years or so.

 

[Freeloading Rusty]

The EU's members have started 2 world wars in the past 100 years or so.

This seems fitting with their history and all. Western countries have only been around for 150 years or so.

 

[Qat]

Did the Croatians not get the memo?

This might be the worst troll-attempt you ever made.

 

[Qat]

One of the biggest members bailing doesn't make it seem very stable.

Exactly. And because of right-wing propaganda, duh. Remember the context of the thread.

By definition the EU can't have a civil war as they aren't a single country. Having said that, going 25 years without having a major war isn't exactly something that warrants bragging.

You seem to be in a bad mood. You know the history better than that.

The EU's members have started 2 world wars in the past 100 years or so.

Reason enough to brag we parted ways with that shit, for now. Are the biggest threat to that right-wing policies?

 

[Disciplined Galt]

This might be the worst troll-attempt you ever made.

You should remain on ignore.

 

[Qat]

You should remain on ignore.

Why are you quoting me if you are talking to yourself?

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

And because of right-wing propaganda, duh.

It seems to me that if being in the EU had been that great it would have taken more than some "right wing propaganda" to convince on of its most significant members to vote itself out. You seem to forget that some of us have family in Europe. Just because its been good for Germany doesn't mean it's been good for other members.

You know the history better than that.

I know the EU was founded in the early 90's. I know in the 1900's Europe was the home of the first 2 world wars, and that those world wars were caused in their entirety by EU members. You're deliberately misrepresenting history to support your own opinions.

Are the biggest threat to that right-wing policies?

I've no reason to believe that one way or the other.

 

[member 3289]

This might be the worst troll-attempt you ever made.

Missed the part where you said now and thought you were saying that there had been no wars since WW2.

I wasn't trolling, I just have a low attention span for most things and couldn't be bothered to go.back and read what you wrote because it would've taken too long.

 

[Mix6APlix]

if you don't speak American, I don't want anything to do with you.

 

[Qat]

It seems to me that if being in the EU had been that great it would have taken more than some "right wing propaganda" to convince on of its most significant members to vote itself out.

That's why it was such an unexpected shock.
But public opinion is fickle. And fearmongers are effective. So are dreams of old days of glory.

Also, as non-European you maybe don't know it, but every single government always blamed everything they weren't able to do or remedy, on Brussels. Its easy, it appeases the people, it draws attention away from your own failure. Its more of a mindset-problem. Macron now changes that. Of course though the EU needs some reforms. The countries need it too though, especially France right now.

I know the EU was founded in the early 90's. I know in the 1900's Europe was the home of the first 2 world wars, and that those world wars were caused in their entirety by EU members. You're deliberately misrepresenting history to support your own opinions.

I really don't know what got you into this bad mood, you need to get laid or something.

I said Europe was war-torn and now isn't anymore, you say I'm misrepresenting things because Europe was very war-torn....
Ain't that some sense-making bullshit. You are really supporting my argument here though.
And the EU didn't just pop up, maybe do read up on it a bit.

I've no reason to believe that one way or the other.

Apart from the US who always goes to war anyway, I would say its more likely than not.

 

[jason73]

there is no way in hell that a one world govt will ever work. if the EU cant make it work then how is it going to work when the entire world had to work as one. half the contries are still 300 years behind the first world economicaly .are the usa germany and china supposed to foot the bill for africa ? there is too much beef in the world for this to ever work.maybe if you eliminate human rights and religions we could all live in a socialst prison camp or some kind of hunger games/1984 world

 

[kneeblock]

It's weird to me how one common thread among right identifying people is a core belief that humans are inherently selfish if not outright evil. I think this is the core of what separates people on the left and right.

We hear the horror stories all day and experience disappointments in our own lives and so it's easy to come to that conclusion, but there is overwhelming evidence from psychology, sociology, economics, philosophy and even evolutionary biology that selfishness and/or evil are not the default state of man. There are aspects of our experience where selfishness guides us and we have great capacity for "evil," insofar as that means destructiveness, disregard, or cruelty, but those tendencies are typically embraced by the very few in the grand scheme of humanity.

I think if you operate from the premise that we are atomized individuals fighting to stay alive in a wild, untamed world governed by selfishness and beset on all sides by evil, there are only two options politically: an every man for himself ideology where the spirit of cooperatism is abandoned due to distrust or totalitarianism to ensure the "wrong kind" of people are purged from society. That is a grim calculus.

The spirit of classical anarchism, which @sparkuri brought up, is premised on the idea that humanity is fundamentally good and will engage in mutual aid. It's best articulated by Peter Kropotkin, Mikhail Bakunin and Pierre Joseph Proudhon, all of whom distrusted the idea of "the state," mostly because of bureaucratization and its distance from localized human interaction. The modern libertarian movement, hailing from thinkers like Robert Nozick or Ayn Rand, simply replaces the apparatus of state with the notion of a market, but denies the imbalances in that market that ultimately make it the same type of bureaucracy under a different name. Adam Smith, the father of free market ideoligy, is more ancestral to the anarchists than the libertarians. His companion book to The Wealth of Nations, The Theory of Moral Sentiments, articulates his vision of a world of mutual dependence and justice, which he believed was innate, though often suppressed.

This community's evolution has basically proven that there is a general bias toward goodness, a need for some central planning in governance, a tendency toward cooperatism, and a strong desire for justice. You could argue there's some selection bias involved, but it's not bad as a case study of socialism.

 

[Splinty]

selfish if not outright evil

general bias toward goodness

I think you've overstated my opinions anyway, or at least made a false dichotomy. I simply believe that individuals strongest motivator is them and their family and neighbors.

That doesn't preclude a bias towards goodness.

It simply ranks where people will respond at the end of the day to various inputs.

, aYou could argue there's some selection bias involved, but it's not bad as a case study of socialism

So help me God I will shut this mother down.

 

[Freeloading Rusty]

It's weird to me how one common thread among right identifying people is a core belief that humans are inherently selfish if not outright evil. I think this is the core of what separates people on the left and right.

Original sin.

You must accept Jesus into your life to be considered a good person... Or else your just a piece of shit that will get stuck in purgatory with all all the handicap and developmentally delayed people.