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[Freeloading Rusty]

I dunno, you tell me. There's a number of people having some interesting conversations and then there's this...



What's the take away from this?

You referenced a post of your own, a position that no one else made. So is it "common themes emerging across our right-leaning community" ?

Doesn't seem it to me. And I gave you a chance to expand.

The idea of human being inherently evil has been brought up a few times in this thread..

Hence a joke about original sin and how stupid and flawed a concept it is.

My bad if this forums gets offended by South Park references. I didn't realize you were so sensitive.

 

[Freeloading Rusty]

That's exactly how they work. Thanks to social media they spread like wildfire and we now live in probably the most divisive time in recorded history. There are no longer differences of opinion, simply groups who think each other are idiots.

Could you sum that up in a meme for me?

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

Could you sum that up in a meme for me?

That's beyond my limited scope of computating, but I can give you this:

 

[Deleted member 1]

My bad if this forums gets offended by South Park references.

But that's not the real picture. You doubled down to ascribe that to people taking the time to answer here.

I didn't realize you were so sensitive.

That's a pretty common copout as of late.

You specifically ascribe a position no one made to others, again doubling down with it as a "common theme" amongst those in this thread and I pointed it out. You now go ad hominem.

 

[Freeloading Rusty]

But that's not the real picture. You doubled down to ascribe that to people taking the time to answer here.



That's a pretty common copout as of late.

You specifically ascribe a position no one made to others, again doubling down with it as a "common theme" amongst those in this thread and I pointed it out. You now go ad hominem.

Inherent evil in humanity wasn't being discussed?

The shadow state or deep state isnt a common theme among the right leaning crew? I have read that concept on here numerous times through out multiple threads.

I must have gotten my threads mixed up.

 

[Deleted member 1]

Inherent evil in humanity wasn't being discussed?

Well now you've back tracked to leave your original sin explanation.

One person mentioned their belief in man being inherently evil. That's it actually. And you didn't take the time to ask their reasoning for that, nor did they give it.

No one mentioned original sin except you.

There is no common theme of original sin in this thread at this point. So why ascribe that as a "theme" to the posters taking the time to answer with their views?

 

[Deleted member 1]

The shadow state or deep state isnt a common theme among the right leaning crew? I have read that concept on here numerous times through out multiple threads.

You added that with an edit and are muddling the water. No one is mentioning that. We are talking about the untrue ascribing of "orginal sin" which you actual brought up.

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

he shadow state or deep state isnt a common theme among the right leaning crew? I have read that concept on here numerous times through out multiple threads.

It's also a common theme among left leaning individuals. Check out any 9/11 thread ever made.

 

[Freeloading Rusty]

Well now you've back tracked to leave your original sin explanation.

I spun the inherently evil into an original sin joke from a South Park episode. If you haven't seen it you should.

The comments about original sin and deep state were obviously tongue in cheek as they are an undertone in numerous stances taken by the more vocal right leaning community within these forums.

Untwist those panties and dont take it personally.

 

[Freeloading Rusty]

It's also a common theme among left leaning individuals. Check out any 9/11 thread ever made.

This is true. Tin foil hats were everywhere post 911.

 

[Freeloading Rusty]

You added that with an edit and are muddling the water. No one is mentioning that. We are talking about the untrue ascribing of "orginal sin" which you actual brought up.

I though we were talking about the two themes I tried to ascribe to the right-leaning community?

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

This is true. Tin foil hats were everywhere post 911.

They still are.

 

[Freeloading Rusty]

They still are.

Hence the attempted joke at those who believe in the deep state.

 

[Freeloading Rusty]

The real concern here is, why doesnt anyone give a shit that Timmy is going to hell?

 

[Deleted member 1]

Untwist those panties and dont take it personally.

I take nothing on this forum personally or I'd have shut it down long ago.

There are no longer differences of opinion, simply groups who think each other are idiots.

@MC Gusto I'll quit making you chase your tail.

This is the point. Why show up in an otherwise excellent thread to simply crap on people giving their sincere personal opinions in a mocking tone? Then, as you said, stereotype the rest?

 

[Freeloading Rusty]

This is the point. Why show up in an otherwise excellent thread to simply crap on people giving their sincere personal opinions in a mocking tone? Then, as you said, stereotype the rest?

Guess I need to learn to be more sensitive about others feelings.

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

Hence the attempted joke at those who believe in the deep state.

Your statement was that the deep state was a common right wing theme. Your attempted joke was about trying to make people who sit on the right look ignorant.

 

[Priziesthorse]

Guys, I am inherently evil.

 

[Freeloading Rusty]

Guys, I am inherently evil.

All you have to do is accept Jesus into your life and you will be free.

 

[Deleted member 1]

Us vs. Them is hardcoded into us somewhat, yeah. But we can channel that. Europe was war-torn forever, now, not anymore. Instead we humiliate our British friends in football.

I thought about this statement a little bit and the confidence that war-torn Europe is now history. Europe from the outside appears incredibly fragile due to two big things.

1> Do you think Europe would be so free from war with modern Russia without the USA covering NATO? Given the things about culture, familiarity,etc. you mentioned aren't the Eastern bloc countries already available to Russia influence...and isn't that a threat regardless? But specifically, is Europe stable from its inherent and internal institutions [without the USA institutions stabilizing it]?


2> Do you consider what would have happened if Syria occurred just 10 years later or so?

What is the chance that Turkey got the momentum from 2008 onward when the UK, Italy, (USA even), etc were pushing hard from admission? Did the EU survive this because the institutions slowed Turkeys joining and a crisis made them show the truth, or was it just dumb luck on timing?

Or do you disagree maybe. Turkey in the EU would still be no big deal with the migrant crisis, Erdogan, etc. could all be absorbed and managed by the EU institutions in place?

 

[Freeloading Rusty]

Your statement was that the deep state was a common right wing theme. Your attempted joke was about trying to make people who sit on the right look ignorant.

Lesson learned.

Apparently religion and the deep state are not a common theme among the right leaning community.

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

Apparently religion and the deep state are not a common theme among the right leaning community.

Neither of those things are synonymous with a political leaning.

 

[Freeloading Rusty]

Neither of those things are synonymous with a political leaning.

You learn something new everyday.

 

[Qat]

Again, this is according to you.

Yes, France needs reforms, everybody knows it. There is a saying about France: they can do revolutions, but not reforms, and its kinda true. If you know their recent history with reforms, it still is. You can find all that out yourself if you don't believe me.

I thought you were a little more mature than this so I ignored it the first time, but you continue to go back to the well so I'll acknowledge it. Me pointing out facts that negate your opinions are not indicative of me being in a bad mood. It's indicative of you being irrational.

Only that they are not at all.
And I rather meant you going around forum these days being just weird. Dunno how to describe it better. Its not just to me.

It continues to be war torn as evidenced by, you know the wars that European nations have, and are, been engaged in. I said that you're misrepresenting things because you've stated several times that since the EU's creation it's been peaceful. I pointed out that 25 years is an extremely small metric by which to make that statement, and it's also a factually incorrect statement to make.

This is getting ridiculous.
@Splinty and I were talking about civil wars and wars between members of a union. You know, his argument about a world government potentially creating more war than before?
You just pick and chose and then put another metric on it, that is your problem, not mine. And I certainly never said since the EU creation on the dot, you just chose to take that metric too.
You are misrepresenting.

It was founded in 1993.

So you can read, good on you. You still know that it didn't just pop up.
This is what I mean with bad mood.

So what you mean is that you don't actually have any evidence on which you're basing this opinion.

How can I have evidence on the future?

I have to ask why would you say "The US always goes to war"?

Cause they kinda always do, or would you say not?

 

[Qat]

1> Do you think Europe would be so free from war with modern Russia without the USA covering NATO? Given the things about culture, familiarity,etc. you mentioned aren't the Eastern bloc countries already available to Russia influence...and isn't that a threat regardless? But specifically, is Europe stable from its inherent and internal institutions [without the USA institutions stabilizing it]?

No, NATO was and is a big reason, I even mentioned it in the same post, at least implying it. But war with an outside force in Russia has no influence on the argument of a world government creating internal wars, like western Europe did for millennia basically.
But lets not forget that a lot of what was established was not only done against Russia, but also to prevent Germany from becoming great again! Still is.

But I think it is stable as long as people don't fall for figureheads again. The problem will be (as it is on American soil), that new generations don't know how awful war on their homeland is. Thus the argument of being war-free is 'lesser' than it was after WW2.
But if we can stay away from extremists (and right extremists more so than left ones) or bubbleheads like Farage, I don't see Italy attacking Spain anytime soon.

2> Do you consider what would have happened if Syria occurred just 10 years later or so?

Its hard to predict really. The refugee crisis definitely has a big impact on the EU, its a big task it took on, and it probably was too much and too hastily done at least. But I could ask the same question about what if the financial crisis didn't happen?

What is the chance that Turkey got the momentum from 2008 onward when the UK, Italy, (USA even), etc were pushing hard from admission? Did the EU survive this because the institutions slowed Turkeys joining and a crisis made them show the truth, or was it just dumb luck on timing?

Or do you disagree maybe. Turkey in the EU would still be no big deal with the migrant crisis, Erdogan, etc. could all be absorbed and managed by the EU institutions in place?

I was always against Turkey joining under the circumstances. And I thought the expansion in general was too fast, creating problems.
Thing is, Turkey was never really close to joining up, it was more of a ploy imo. Which is shady, and I can understand Erdogan being pissed.