General Russia Ukraine round 2 Price hike boogaloo

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Freeloading Rusty

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Stop playing with people's lives in eastern Ukraine, Germany tells Russia
"I urgently call on the Russian government, on the Russian president: Don't play with human lives," Baerbock told reporters after arriving for a meeting of European Union foreign ministers in Brussels.

"What we have seen over the last 72 hours in terms of attacks, violent disputes is really concerning," she said. "The responsibility lies with the Russian government which is why I call urgently on the Russian government: Come back to the negotiating table. It is in your hands."
 

Freeloading Rusty

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Russia claims border breach from Ukraine, Kyiv calls it fake news
Ukraine dismissed the account as false information.

"Another fake. We don't have people there, nor could they be (there)," Ukraine's military said.
 
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Crazy how Putin has gaslighted people into blaming America for Russia potentially using nuclear weapons without being provoked.
I’ve been watching Putin’s fifth column for well over a decade now. It’s crazy how effective it is, it’s even got a few of my friends ITT.
 
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IschKabibble @IschKabibble you see they unmasked them two dudes who were Q through two different forensic linguistic methods that both found the same results?

still can’t believe you fell for that
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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I’ve been watching Putin’s fifth column for well over a decade now. It’s crazy how effective it is, it’s even got a few of my friends ITT.
In this thread you said the "They're actual Nazis" thing is Russian propaganda and also had your dad tell you he saw it himself. I'm not sure it's Putin who's crazy effective
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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@Lars you posted an article where the author is talking about "Who cares if NATO recruits Ukraine? They're supposed to be ever expanding."
 
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In this thread you said the "They're actual Nazis" thing is Russian propaganda and also had your dad tell you he saw it himself. I'm not sure it's Putin who's crazy effective
Right, I said I wasn’t sure about it, then accepted I was wrong. You thought we want to put nukes in Ukraine and eat Vlad’s revisionist BS about NATO expansion from a spoon.
 
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@Lars you posted an article where the author is talking about "Who cares if NATO recruits Ukraine? They're supposed to be ever expanding."
Yup

these countries want to join for a reason. That reason is Russia. If they want our help and are legitimate democracies why shouldn’t we welcome them to our defensive alliance?
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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Right, I said I wasn’t sure about it, then accepted I was wrong. You thought we want to put nukes in Ukraine and eat Vlad’s revisionist BS about NATO expansion from a spoon.
Yup

these countries want to join for a reason. That reason is Russia. If they want our help and are legitimate democracies why shouldn’t we welcome them to our defensive alliance?
Lol@ these 2 posts one after the other.
 
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Lol@ these 2 posts one after the other.
NATO is allowed to expand. Putin’s revisionist nonsense about “commitments” has already been debunked. It’s a defensive alliance of self governing nations. The former Soviet states are urgent to get out of Russia’s “influence” for a reason, and if they can contribute and function as true democracies we should welcome them. People trying to run away from Russia is not us “antagonizing” Russia, it’s ridiculous to think these nations shouldn’t have the ability and sovereignty to join alliances as they wish.
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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NATO is allowed to expand. Putin’s revisionist nonsense about “commitments” has already been debunked. It’s a defensive alliance of self governing nations. The former Soviet states are urgent to get out of Russia’s “influence” for a reason, and if they can contribute and function as true democracies we should welcome them.
I'd like you to please reconsider this post under the lens of knowing that you were lied to about the Nazi thing being Russian propaganda. We'll save the "true democracy" part for later.
 
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I'd like you to please reconsider this post under the lens of knowing that you were lied to about the Nazi thing being Russian propaganda. We'll save the "true democracy" part for later.
Ukraine is on a two to five decade assessment to join because it is not a democracy yet. And as far as I can see there is one unit that has the SS patch (maybe more) and Russian bots made it seem like the Ukrainian government is all Nazi fascists when the original pro Russian government fell.


Don’t act like Putin himself hasn’t publicly proclaimed his goal of re-establishing the three Russias of the “All-Russian Nation.” Don’t act like his aims on Ukraine are legitimate, that he is scared of a defensive alliance that won’t attack him because of his nukes. Don’t act like NATO is forcing his hand. It just doesn’t stand to any rigorous analysis.
 
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I'd like you to please reconsider this post under the lens of knowing that you were lied to about the Nazi thing being Russian propaganda. We'll save the "true democracy" part for later.
But it's not all of Ukraine or even the primary government that is Nazis. It appears to be fascist elements inside of Ukraine that the government has appeased in order to maintain control and prevent a civil war. They should of course expel those voices long-term but my main point is that Putin using this contingent to paint the entirety of Ukraine as a Nazi regime needing Russia to save the ethnic Russian population is bullshit too.
Please don't misinterpret my post about us needing to realize that it takes a long learning from the west to understand Ukraine's intricacies as some sort of endorsement of Putin's propaganda.
 
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Your proof is a picture? Linguistic analysis? Tell me how either of those nerds called the minute of John McCain's death exactly one month prior to it happening?
Lulz

you can easily find the articles, you have Google.

Two different methodologies analyzing the writings and postings from people BEFORE Q even started both point straight to these guys. These techniques stand up in a court of law.

im sorry your nonsense was a fantasy
 

IschKabibble

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Lulz

you can easily find the articles, you have Google.

Two different methodologies analyzing the writings postings from people BEFORE
Q even started both point straight to these guys.

im sorry your nonsense was a fantasy
*sigh*

The news will fill you in eventually. They're taking you for a ride at the moment.
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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Ukraine is on a two to five decade assessment to join because it is not a democracy yet. And as far as I can see there is one unit that has the SS patch (maybe more) and Russian bots made it seem like the Ukrainian government is all Nazi fascists, when the original pro Russian government fell.


Don’t act like Putin himself hasn’t publicly proclaimed his goal of re-establishing the three Russias of the “All-Russian Nation.” Don’t act like his aims on Ukraine are legitimate, that he is scared of a defensive alliance that won’t attack him because of his nukes. Don’t act like NATO is forcing his hand. It just doesn’t stand to any rigorous analysis.
Dude, nothing we're being told by anyone stands up to any analysis. You saw the reporter asking Ned Price not very hard questions which he just obfuscated instead of answering.

Ultimately I'm not going to pretend I have some vested interest in the Ukraine. What I do have vested interest in is not sending our soldiers off to die in yet another pointless war that costs us millions and millions of dollars.