General Russia vs. Ukraine
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That's a pretty relative statement. You mi d expanding on it?
It’s costing Russia a lot for this victory and they’re going to gain a bunch of destroyed cities with sparse populations, Russia already has plenty of that
They're gaining more access to the black sea and a tremendous amount of food production. They've already almost completely rebuilt mariupol, which is a warm water port.
They also have the credibility of standing up to the west and winning, which nobody has done in recent history. There’s a reason Brics is gaining steam world wide.
Between this and Afghanistan we look like a failing super power and they look like one emerging. I'm not sure it could have gone better for them and worse for us.
Even if you take the worst possible view of Russia, it allowed them an excuse convert they’re military from a smaller defense force to a Soviet sized military again.
All we had to do is appear neutral and allow them 2 independant oblasts at the outset. All we have is a rump state completely dependent on the west and a refugee crisis from Europe.
Of course you can view it any way you like, but I think the Russians feel they fended off a bully and came out on top. I also think most countries, especially in the east will see it the same.
This war is a fucking farce that NATO backed Russia into a corner to start with.
I feel for the people of Ukraine but the west caused all of this. America would have done EXACTLY the same thing if in that situation. We have.
I thought Ukraine was broken up as to backing Russia or other
Russia has made very clear, for decades, that they will not tolerate nato/western aligned military attempting to surround them.
I'm not Russian apologist, but the west has been spitting in their face and saying "do something about it, bitch."
They did something.
We have no actual reason to be involved in this at all, except for politicians that have heavily invested in the compromised Ukraine and NATO who doesn't seem to understand the word "consequences".
This is an attempt by the "West" to reset the board and if Americans continue to go along with it their sons and daughters will die in a pointless war.
Its pretty fucking simple when you remove estrogen from the equation
They didn't really vote for this.
Go kill a dog, and when you are at peace do the slightest bit of homework. You'll quickly understand that this is a manufactured war and the Ukraine is just a raw material pawn.
You’re removing Ukraine’s sovereignty from the discussion for some reason. The Ukrainians voted to have closer economic ties to the west. Russia doesn’t get to invade them because they don’t like that.
No they didn't. The last leader all of Ukraine voted for was removed in a US lead coup.
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How would the US respond if Russia and China started amassing troops and infrastructure in Mexico?
Russia has always been very clear about what they would do if nato tried to engulf them. NATO did it anyway.
This is all theater of the absurd.
The west created this conflict and you are buying their framing of it.
We started this shit. Nobody is saying Russia are the good guys here, but you need to understand that they aren't the bad guys either. I don’t think they had much of a choice in their actions, they had to back up what they'd been saying for years. NATO/The West kept pushing and pushing. Any reasonable leader would push back hard.
Russia has always been very clear about what they would do if nato tried to engulf them. NATO did it anyway.
This is all theater of the absurd.
The west created this conflict and you are buying their framing of it.
We started this shit. Nobody is saying Russia are the good guys here, but you need to understand that they aren't the bad guys either. I don’t think they had much of a choice in their actions, they had to back up what they'd been saying for years. NATO/The West kept pushing and pushing. Any reasonable leader would push back hard.
Pushing would have been admitting Ukraine to NATO. They were not invited to NATO before the invasion. The US wasn’t going out of their way to provoke Russia as far as I can tell. This war was such a disaster for Russia because Putin thought it was going to be easier than it was. They would not make the same decision again.
Like Russian intelligence wasn’t fucking around in Ukraine either. lol everyone’s intelligence service is an asshole.
Fine, baiting