Jokes aside. The events leading up to, during, and after Janaury 6th are a huge issue
General Senate Judiciary Committee Report on Jan 6th
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Can't deny this is sexy political television.
Like we were saying, would be better with tits
Just like tits
I know you don't like tucker. But thats a tucker talking point right now. So I figured I'd throw it out there as a wake up
Is there actual substance to the ordeal? I've paid zero attention to it.
I thought Trump was being careless with his speech at the rally (even said so on this site when I was listening on the radio and commented that it sounded like he was going to incite a riot), but I didn't actually hold him responsible to the point of that's what he wanted to happen.
There were people there with bad intentions. There were people there who just went along with the crowd and strolled on into The Capitol (flag-waving Granny).
I chalked it up to not being as serious as the Dems were making it out to be (Pearl Harbor), but more serious than the GOP was making it out to be (completely non violent)
I'd love to get an unbiased account of the entire ordeal if that's even possible in today's news cycle.
How do you like that, Crosby
Oh. I didn't think it started tonight
Apparently it started 48min into this live stream. 55min ago
View: https://youtu.be/jblC2Ooog2U
For myself, the two things that matter are dealing with the breach itself, and with those who encouraged it.
The rioters are going behind bars.
The suits and ties need to be held accountable too.
There was a lot of irresponsible, reckless lying that led directly to the events.
Whether or not trump can be held responsible for inciting the violence is just a piece of the investigation
Since that's debatable and people have already made up their minds on his guilt or lack thereof on that, thats how right wing media is framing these hearings
But it's about alot more than that
They interviewed alot of people and have text and call logs. here are some of the bigger issues they will be addressing
- trumps campaign had teams formulate slates of fake electors
- trump pressured pence to not count the vote so that the new "correct" electors could be counted instead
- trumps team discussed using military to seize voting machines
- he asked his DA to send a letter about concerns with the vote count to states. Since that was not true, he wouldn't do it. Trump then replaced the DA (I think)
- during the riot, trump did nothing in terms of his responsibilities with the unrest. So pence had to unilaterally make calls and decisions that he wasn't even legally allowed to (the investigation isn't condemning pence for that, but rather, probing how trump reneged on his duty as president)
- trumps own cabinet discussed invoking the 25th amendment on him
Take the above with a grain of salt. But my main point is that there's alot to this beyond "is it trumps fault due to his speech that they rioted"
I'm still an hour behind. I'll post updates as I catch up
First one is a drunk guiliani kn election night
Trump was upstairs. Others downstairs. Giuliani came in drunk and asked to speak to trump. Told trump to declare victory. But the others like mar meadows said it was still way too early to declare anything since they were still counting votes according to mark meadows, Ivanka, and some other trump campaign dude
Trump disagreed and said he was going to go in a different direction.
Trump then declared it a fraud on November 4th and said they won lol
First one is a drunk guiliani kn election night
Trump was upstairs. Others downstairs. Giuliani came in drunk and asked to speak to trump. Told trump to declare victory. But the others like mar meadows said it was still way too early to declare anything since they were still counting votes according to mark meadows, Ivanka, and some other trump campaign dude
Trump disagreed and said he was going to go in a different direction.
Trump then declared it a fraud on November 4th and said they won lol
Since trump wanted to spread lies about the election being fraud, he took on guiliani to replace someone.
Ag barr didn't want to be associated with the "bullshit" fraud narrative, so he resigned
Kushner advised trump to go a different direction from guilianis conspiracies
Trumps lawyers didn't feel comfortable filing the fraud cases, so guiliani and Powell did
Later, when syndey Powell wss defending herself in a defamation lawsuit, she claimed that no reasonable person would consider what she said about the election to be statements of fact
Lol
Ag barr didn't want to be associated with the "bullshit" fraud narrative, so he resigned
Kushner advised trump to go a different direction from guilianis conspiracies
Trumps lawyers didn't feel comfortable filing the fraud cases, so guiliani and Powell did
Later, when syndey Powell wss defending herself in a defamation lawsuit, she claimed that no reasonable person would consider what she said about the election to be statements of fact
Lol
Barr met wirh trump on Nov 23rd for the first time since mid October. And first time since election
Trump rambled about nonsense for awhile. Then commented on how DOJ is missing in action
Barr said that he would investigate if states found anything of merit. But they had't. And that he is not a lawyer for the president
Afterwards, barr asked kushner how long this fraud thing was going to go on. And they said they were working on it. Hinted trump realized he couldn't take it much further
But aweek later, he went on fox and lied about the "massive dumps" lol
Trump rambled about nonsense for awhile. Then commented on how DOJ is missing in action
Barr said that he would investigate if states found anything of merit. But they had't. And that he is not a lawyer for the president
Afterwards, barr asked kushner how long this fraud thing was going to go on. And they said they were working on it. Hinted trump realized he couldn't take it much further
But aweek later, he went on fox and lied about the "massive dumps" lol
I'm done with notes. But based on the intro statement, today's hearing is about proving that trump knew the election fraud thing was a lie. But he kept stating it anyway
He also raised money on back of the big lie, and didn't use that money in terms of investigating fraud
That seems to be the point of today's hearing. Trump knew he was lying but did it anyway. And still does
He also raised money on back of the big lie, and didn't use that money in terms of investigating fraud
That seems to be the point of today's hearing. Trump knew he was lying but did it anyway. And still does
He telegraphed this crybaby bullshit before both elections. "If I win, the people love me. If I lose, everyone but me cheated!"
Ugh. A country full of people who elect an emotionally retarded septuagenarian have to accept their part in it too and learn from it
Yup. That was actually the first step in today's hearing
- trump preempted his loss from June until the election saying that if they lost, it was due to fraud
- trump lost
- his advisors repeatedly told him that he lost
- trump repeatedly claims he won and still does
I do remember when the resident smarties were full of joy for the kraken lady and her fraud quest.
Good times.
That shit happened a mile away from me, we call that the Lansing Buzz
This is the segment where trumps campaign manager said Giuliani was drunk on election night
View: https://youtu.be/lBuU6cmo0TI
View: https://youtu.be/lBuU6cmo0TI
NPR is dogshit
Used to be decent
Used to be decent
Nu metal sucks
Well, if you'd paid any attention to it at all, you would hold him responsible. Because that absolutely IS what he wanted to happen, and the evidence presented shows it very clearly.
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