For any big sporting event, they’ll at least let you order stuff off the commissary to make your own pizzas for a little pod party
I appreciate your opinion, even though I disagree.
If you feel the state should not decide to take a life, do you feel the family of the victims should be able to decide on the penalty?
Living a long healthy life in protective custody seems like a pretty good deal for a person that rapes than kills than rapes a child(or anyone for that matter).
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I'm going to put this out here before I listen to this podcast completely. A little experiment with
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Currently I'm against the death penalty. I didn't used to be, but I can't rationalize state power against its citizens that so irreversible and so final. The state is a corruptible and fallible entity.
Protect life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. The state has a responsibility to protect life. And I think it does that well through use of permanent prison sentences in place of the death penalty.
Logistically, I have not seen enough evidence showing that the death penalty is a deterrent. In fact, if used too often the death penalty may accidentally give an incentive to escalate lower-level crimes. I admit, the death penalty could and should be cheaper such that, the death penalty cost less than permanent incarceration. But even giving that, I'm not sure I should count cost into the matters of taking a life.
Morally, I don't think killing is an absolute wrong. We Justify homicide in the case of Defense, War, and currently execution.
But much in the same way my defense against the homicide is predicated upon fearing an imminent bodily harm, I have a difficult time rationalizing that I should kill somebody contained and metaphorically neutered in a box.
Now to the podcast... Let's see if I think I'm totally naive by tomorrow morning.
@ConorMcGregorsBeard Currently I'm against the death penalty. I didn't used to be, but I can't rationalize state power against its citizens that so irreversible and so final. The state is a corruptible and fallible entity.
Protect life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. The state has a responsibility to protect life. And I think it does that well through use of permanent prison sentences in place of the death penalty.
Logistically, I have not seen enough evidence showing that the death penalty is a deterrent. In fact, if used too often the death penalty may accidentally give an incentive to escalate lower-level crimes. I admit, the death penalty could and should be cheaper such that, the death penalty cost less than permanent incarceration. But even giving that, I'm not sure I should count cost into the matters of taking a life.
Morally, I don't think killing is an absolute wrong. We Justify homicide in the case of Defense, War, and currently execution.
But much in the same way my defense against the homicide is predicated upon fearing an imminent bodily harm, I have a difficult time rationalizing that I should kill somebody contained and metaphorically neutered in a box.
Now to the podcast... Let's see if I think I'm totally naive by tomorrow morning.
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No. I feel that judges should continue to be the ones to decide these things.
Their freedom is taken away for the rest of their lives. That, imo, should be the limit of what we are able to decide at a state level.
I'm going to put this out here before I listen to this podcast completely. A little experiment with
Currently I'm against the death penalty. I didn't used to be, but I can't rationalize state power against its citizens that so irreversible and so final. The state is a corruptible and fallible entity.
Protect life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. The state has a responsibility to protect life. And I think it does that well through use of permanent prison sentences in place of the death penalty.
Logistically, I have not seen enough evidence showing that the death penalty is a deterrent. In fact, if used too often the death penalty may accidentally give an incentive to escalate lower-level crimes. I admit, the death penalty could and should be cheaper such that, the death penalty cost less than permanent incarceration. But even giving that, I'm not sure I should count cost into the matters of taking a life.
Morally, I don't think killing is an absolute wrong. We Justify homicide in the case of Defense, War, and currently execution.
But much in the same way my defense against the homicide is predicated upon fearing an imminent bodily harm, I have a difficult time rationalizing that I should kill somebody contained and metaphorically neutered in a box.
Now to the podcast... Let's see if I think I'm totally naive by tomorrow morning.
Good points.
If prisons were used to imprison/punish crimes than I agree that the imprisonment may be enough of a punishment but currently prisons are used for rehabilitation instead.
Maybe separate prisons for lifers and others for rehabilitation would help.
Nor have I, but it is a nice cleanup, a solution.
agree. Not like these fuckers who make execution type of decisions are so high up there morally.
Give him life in maximum, let him get butt raped for rest of his life.
My daughter's High School yesterday morning.
Grandmother foils alleged mass shooting plot at Everett school
Grandmother foils alleged mass shooting plot at Everett school
According to the Everett Police Department, the 18-year-old's grandmother called 911 after finding the journal and believed the threats to shoot students at the school were credible.
An 18-year-old student was arrested after a journal was found detailing plans to shoot his classmates at ACES High School in Everett.
According to the Everett Police Department, the 18-year-old’s grandmother called 911 Tuesday morning after finding the journal and believed the threats to shoot students at the school were credible.
Officers responded to the house on the 10600 block of Holly Drive and were shown excerpts of the journal and were told the grandson had a semiautomatic rifle stored in a guitar case. As officers reviewed the journal, they were alarmed by the statements and detailed plans to shoot students and use homemade explosives, according to a press release.
Excerpts from the journal show the teen had been thinking about the shooting frequently and wanted to make it "infamous," according to probable cause documents.
Court documents state the young man wrote, "I can't wait to walk into class and blow all those (expletives) away," and "I need to make this shooting/bombing infamous. I need to get the biggest fatality number I possible can."
Prosecutors allege the suspect had inert grenades in his bedroom that he planned to fill with black powder along with the AK-47 hidden in a guitar case.
The student attended Kamiak High School last year before transferring to ACES Alternative School this fall. Detective say he simply flipped a coin to determine which school to target. It came up ACES.
ACES High School was contacted and told about the threat. The student was arrested at the school, and a knife and marijuana were found on his person.
Mukilteo School District spokesman Andy Muntz said the teen was not on their radar, adding everyone is incredibly grateful for that grandmother's decision to turn the young man in.
"It really speaks to the importance of if you see something or hear something to notify the authorities. That's what she did. It could well have saved many, many lives including her grandson's life," said Muntz.
ACES student Olivia Fox said she was stunned at the accusations leveled against her close friend.
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The problem is being misidentified, repeatedly.
It's not a "GUN PROBLEM", it's a "SOCIETAL PROBLEM".
And the answer could not be simpler.
Whether my daughter was blown away yesterday morning or not, my opinion is the same, because it's so painfully clear when you take a step back.
The second amendment was PRAYERFULLY & HISTORICALLY put into our Bill Of Rights because it is this right which protects all others.
The VERY important FACT that everyone seems to miss(or ignore), is that this "beacon" called America, is the last great hope of this planet to witness a society whose rights are cemented by the ability to defend them, and those rights are what PREVENTS OTHER FIRST WORLD COUNTRIES' GOVERNMENTS AROUND THE WORLD FROM EXACTING ATROCITIES ON IT'S PEOPLES.
To assume that Great Britain, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, Germany or Europe altogether has somehow "evolved" past tyranny is so foolish I cannot come to the proper word for it.
Only Switzerland & America, the most successful and powerful country in world history still maintain these rights, and the very rights that keep OTHER countries safe oceans away are under attack by globalist billionaires who seek to control the world.
When the breadth of America's independence was realized, fought for, and established, it was by learned men, all whom surpass any man on this forum.
The history of governments past, centuries worth, were carefully weighed by hundreds of intellectuals who knew Freedom; Liberty, was the soul's right to breathe..."Liberty is the soul's right to breathe, and when it cannot take a long breath, laws are girdled too tight."
When we see the right to defend ourselves is under attack, it is those that attack that right who are the traitors to this nation and it's soul.
We've seen for centuries the outcome of those countries who hand in their arms for promises of security. They are riddled not with the death of thousands, but hundreds of millions.
The country has been overly secularized to the point where common sense is a rarity.
When you have a great many people socialized, a nanny state, where "medicines" are forced on it's people, food is mandated & poisoned, faith is mocked at, money & instant pleasure are commercialized as happiness, parents have no rights to raising their children, socialized propaganda centers for schools, and normal healthy physical releases have been replaced by staring at screens to exact virtual violence, it's no wonder the detached outcasts act out.
Instead of letting people get away with calling it a gun problem, perhaps we should call it what it is, a societal problem.
The problem with that is, the answer is in the mirror.
Grandmother foils alleged mass shooting plot at Everett school
Grandmother foils alleged mass shooting plot at Everett school
According to the Everett Police Department, the 18-year-old's grandmother called 911 after finding the journal and believed the threats to shoot students at the school were credible.
An 18-year-old student was arrested after a journal was found detailing plans to shoot his classmates at ACES High School in Everett.
According to the Everett Police Department, the 18-year-old’s grandmother called 911 Tuesday morning after finding the journal and believed the threats to shoot students at the school were credible.
Officers responded to the house on the 10600 block of Holly Drive and were shown excerpts of the journal and were told the grandson had a semiautomatic rifle stored in a guitar case. As officers reviewed the journal, they were alarmed by the statements and detailed plans to shoot students and use homemade explosives, according to a press release.
Excerpts from the journal show the teen had been thinking about the shooting frequently and wanted to make it "infamous," according to probable cause documents.
Court documents state the young man wrote, "I can't wait to walk into class and blow all those (expletives) away," and "I need to make this shooting/bombing infamous. I need to get the biggest fatality number I possible can."
Prosecutors allege the suspect had inert grenades in his bedroom that he planned to fill with black powder along with the AK-47 hidden in a guitar case.
The student attended Kamiak High School last year before transferring to ACES Alternative School this fall. Detective say he simply flipped a coin to determine which school to target. It came up ACES.
ACES High School was contacted and told about the threat. The student was arrested at the school, and a knife and marijuana were found on his person.
Mukilteo School District spokesman Andy Muntz said the teen was not on their radar, adding everyone is incredibly grateful for that grandmother's decision to turn the young man in.
"It really speaks to the importance of if you see something or hear something to notify the authorities. That's what she did. It could well have saved many, many lives including her grandson's life," said Muntz.
ACES student Olivia Fox said she was stunned at the accusations leveled against her close friend.
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The problem is being misidentified, repeatedly.
It's not a "GUN PROBLEM", it's a "SOCIETAL PROBLEM".
And the answer could not be simpler.
Whether my daughter was blown away yesterday morning or not, my opinion is the same, because it's so painfully clear when you take a step back.
The second amendment was PRAYERFULLY & HISTORICALLY put into our Bill Of Rights because it is this right which protects all others.
The VERY important FACT that everyone seems to miss(or ignore), is that this "beacon" called America, is the last great hope of this planet to witness a society whose rights are cemented by the ability to defend them, and those rights are what PREVENTS OTHER FIRST WORLD COUNTRIES' GOVERNMENTS AROUND THE WORLD FROM EXACTING ATROCITIES ON IT'S PEOPLES.
To assume that Great Britain, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, Germany or Europe altogether has somehow "evolved" past tyranny is so foolish I cannot come to the proper word for it.
Only Switzerland & America, the most successful and powerful country in world history still maintain these rights, and the very rights that keep OTHER countries safe oceans away are under attack by globalist billionaires who seek to control the world.
When the breadth of America's independence was realized, fought for, and established, it was by learned men, all whom surpass any man on this forum.
The history of governments past, centuries worth, were carefully weighed by hundreds of intellectuals who knew Freedom; Liberty, was the soul's right to breathe..."Liberty is the soul's right to breathe, and when it cannot take a long breath, laws are girdled too tight."
When we see the right to defend ourselves is under attack, it is those that attack that right who are the traitors to this nation and it's soul.
We've seen for centuries the outcome of those countries who hand in their arms for promises of security. They are riddled not with the death of thousands, but hundreds of millions.
The country has been overly secularized to the point where common sense is a rarity.
When you have a great many people socialized, a nanny state, where "medicines" are forced on it's people, food is mandated & poisoned, faith is mocked at, money & instant pleasure are commercialized as happiness, parents have no rights to raising their children, socialized propaganda centers for schools, and normal healthy physical releases have been replaced by staring at screens to exact virtual violence, it's no wonder the detached outcasts act out.
Instead of letting people get away with calling it a gun problem, perhaps we should call it what it is, a societal problem.
The problem with that is, the answer is in the mirror.
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I'd be angry to if I was cursed with fuzzy caterpillar eyebrows like that.
Confused cunt. This is what the atomization of the west leads to.
It's a waste of money. Just put a .22 in their head.
Sadly I think this is right, America's had a lot of guns for a lot of years, yet this kind of thing wasn't happening in the past, or if it did certainly not at this rate. There's a copycat effect that's contributing, but something's changed in society
I don't really want to type a lot, it's the prequel of decadence pretty much. Society is going through a great awakening.
rappers are talking about things they've seen, heard about, or experienced, it'd be an aftereffect of a breakdown
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Let's hope this information is false
I think you're mistaken if you think that depriving someone of a particular weapon platform, you deprive them of the ability to inflict mass casualties. Even if someone is forbidden from legally owning or possessing a firearm, they're already legally forbidden from killing their fellow man. Someone who's willing to murder is willing to steal or lie to gain the means to the end.
It's not a weapon problem, it's a mental health problem. The most important aspect of that problem (IMO) is the stigmatization of mental health issues - which is closely related to the problem of access to mental health treatment.
I bet
@Zeph would disagree.
Because government is a collection of people, and I cannot confer on others a right which I do not myself possess. The fallibility of the system and irreversible consequences of the death penalty make it a non-starter for me. Throwing in the ridiculous cost of trying to be as certain as possible, and I don't see a logical reason to execute criminals.
And it's part of our evolution as a species and a society. First, it's an eye for an eye. Then we realize that capital punishment is not a deterrent, and that the system makes mistakes. Then we lock people in a box because we can't risk them hurting others, and we don't know how to fix them.
In the future, I hope we figure out how to fix them and return them to society.
There are always cases of people being wrongly convicted of crimes and throughout history people have been executed for crimes they did not commit. I have no doubt that there are people in prisons all over the world awaiting execution for crimes they did not commit.
I'm generally against the death penalty for the reasons nut hugger has already stated, but if even just 1 out 50 people executed is innocent, then that number is too high. At least if they get a life sentence then there is hope that one day their innocence is proven, being locked up on death row for 10 years, then executed, is just about as barbaric a thing you can do to a person.
As for the family deciding on the penalty, that already happens in some country. In Pakistan if a family forgives murderer for killing one of their family then he is forgiven in the eyes of Allah, and released from his sentence (I'm not 100% certain on this check link to podcast). This leads to corruption, rich people can buy their way out of justice and families can hire hitmen to kill family members and grant forgiveness if they get caught.
@Splinty if you like podcasts check this one out, its probably the best podcast I've ever heard. Its about an American guy called Erik Aude who ends up in a Pakistani prison.
Actor and stuntman Erik Audé talks about his time served in a Pakistani prison - Storytime with Uncle Creepy
The largest casualty count from a school is the Bath School Massacre, perpetrated in 1927, a time when you could buy a fully-automatic .50 machine gun out of a catalog and have it delivered to your house. It was committed without the use of a firearm.I bet
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