General The Supreme Court has overturned Roe vs Wade.

Approve of federally-protected access to legal abortion being overturned?

  • Yes, it's murder

  • No, it's a woman's right to choose

  • But what about Hunter Biiiiiiiiiiiiiden

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BeardOfKnowledge said:
Two reasons for myself personally. 1) I'm not cool with people killing babies*. 2) If I knock up some broad it shouldn't just be her decision about what happens to that kid.

* I'm open for discussion on what is a baby.
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1.) at what time period would you consider an abortion to be a no go? And keep in mind, there are some late pregnancy abortions that are necessary because the moms life is in jeopardy.

2.Why shouldn’t it be the woman’s decision alone? She is the one who has to carry it for 9 months. I agree that it should be discussed among both parties, but ultimately it should be the person who has to carry the fetuses decision.

About your comment of not being cool with killing babies. I don’t think anyone is actually cool with killing babies unless they’re a psychopath. That isn’t everything that abortion is though, and it would be disingenuous to argue that it’s only about killing babies.
 
BeardOfKnowledge said:
Two reasons for myself personally. 1) I'm not cool with people killing babies*. 2) If I knock up some broad it shouldn't just be her decision about what happens to that kid.

* I'm open for discussion on what is a baby.
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Right there with you, just that I don't care to have a voice in the matter aside from here.
Wouldn't try either. The days of fatherhood are behind me.
 
TheFifthScallop said:
1.) at what time period would you consider an abortion to be a no go? And keep in mind, there are some late pregnancy abortions that are necessary because the moms life is in jeopardy.

2.Why shouldn’t it be the woman’s decision alone? She is the one who has to carry it for 9 months. I agree that it should be discussed among both parties, but ultimately it should be the person who has to carry the fetuses decision.

About your comment of not being cool with killing babies. I don’t think anyone is actually cool with killing babies unless they’re a psychopath. That isn’t everything that abortion is though, and it would be disingenuous to argue that it’s only about killing babies.
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The extremes: 1. prophylactics are sinful

2.Very late term.

Cue clump of cells debate. That's the where reasonable discussion may be fruitful
 
TheFifthScallop said:
1.) at what time period would you consider an abortion to be a no go?
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4 months seems about right.

TheFifthScallop said:
And keep in mind, there are some late pregnancy abortions that are necessary because the moms life is in jeopardy.
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That's a bit of a sticky wicket depending on the situation. If you're talking about a woman who's like 8 or 9 months pregnant and the baby is 100% healthy. It's really hard for me to just say "Yeah, kill that baby." We sure as fuck wouldn't kill it the day after it's born so I can't say I'm fine with killing it the day before.


TheFifthScallop said:
2.Why shouldn’t it be the woman’s decision alone? She is the one who has to carry it for 9 months. I agree that it should be discussed among both parties, but ultimately it should be the person who has to carry the fetuses decision.
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It's half your child and you're going to be responsible if she keeps it.


TheFifthScallop said:
About your comment of not being cool with killing babies. I don’t think anyone is actually cool with killing babies unless they’re a psychopath. That isn’t everything that abortion is though, and it would be disingenuous to argue that it’s only about killing babies
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That's what Roe v Wade is about. Elective abortions.
 
BeardOfKnowledge said:
4 months seems about right.



That's a bit of a sticky wicket depending on the situation. If you're talking about a woman who's like 8 or 9 months pregnant and the baby is 100% healthy. It's really hard for me to just say "Yeah, kill that baby." We sure as fuck wouldn't kill it the day after it's born so I can't say I'm fine with killing it the day before.
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dog, the example you’ve posted isn’t happening. There is no healthy fetus being aborted at 8 months. I would also consider that wrong. The only reason a fetus would be aborted at 8 months would be because it isn’t viable, or both the mom and baby are going to die.
 
BeardOfKnowledge said:
That's what Roe v Wade is about. Elective abortions.
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elective abortions because A.) the mother isn’t fit to have or care for a child. B.) The fetus isn’t viable.(you understand that some women need an abortion after a miscarriage, right?)
C.) If the mother and fetuses life is in jeopardy, but you can save the mother by preforming an abortion.

Its not just about killing babies, and I find it very puzzling that people can’t understand this


About your comment saying that if she keeps it you have to raise it, so you should have a say if it gets aborted. I agree to some extent. It does require to people to create life, but you’re not the one carrying it for 9 months. And if there is a guy out there who accidentally knocks a girl up during a one night stand, and then says he wants her to keep it, I’d like to meet them.
 
TheFifthScallop said:
dog, the example you’ve posted isn’t happening. There is no healthy fetus being aborted at 8 months. I would also consider that wrong. The only reason a fetus would be aborted at 8 months would be because it isn’t viable, or both the mom and baby are going to die.
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Okay, so here's the thing. In terms of the baby's ability to survive outside the mother 8 months or 5 months isn't drastically different. So I'm obligated to apply the same standards to both situations.
 
TheFifthScallop said:
elective abortions because A.) the mother isn’t fit to have or care for a child. B.) The fetus isn’t viable.(you understand that some women need an abortion after a miscarriage, right?)
C.) If the mother and fetuses life is in jeopardy, but you can save the mother by preforming an abortion.

Its not just about killing babies, and I find it very puzzling that people can’t understand this


About your comment saying that if she keeps it you have to raise it, so you should have a say if it gets aborted. I agree to some extent. It does require to people to create life, but you’re not the one carrying it for 9 months. And if there is a guy out there who accidentally knocks a girl up during a one night stand, and then says he wants her to keep it, I’d like to meet them.
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No, man. Roe was a married woman with 2 kids who got knocked up and just said "Fuck this.". She wasn't raped, the baby wasn't unhealthy, none of that. She just didn't want it.
 
BeardOfKnowledge said:
Okay, so here's the thing. In terms of the baby's ability to survive outside the mother 8 months or 5 months isn't drastically different. So I'm obligated to apply the same standards to both situations.
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It’s a lot more work to keep a baby alive that is born premature than it is for one born at 8 months. Percentage wise, it’s not even close.
 
Leigh said:
Sure, I think the Dems are pretty spineless and could have done more. But surely:
1) That applies to everyone who had the House.
2) Not stopping something bad deserves criticism but isn't anywhere near as bad as actually causing it.
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Short-term it will suck because The Party of Two Names has no interest in addressing the issue.

Long-term, it's good for us to not rely on power structures to give and take "rights"
 
TheFifthScallop said:
Why are people so invested in what other people do with their bodies? It definitely has nothing to do with growing low class population.

I’ve been mostly silent on all of this, because I don’t have a clam between my legs that’s capable of spitting out a baby. What I find profoundly funny though, is this thread is a bunch of dudes talking about what a lady can and can’t do with their body, and how it’s one sides fault.

All in all, adoption better become super cool among everyone who is happy with Roe v Wade being overturned. Sadly though, everyone knows that won’t happen.
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Deregulate adoption
 
TheFifthScallop said:
dog, the example you’ve posted isn’t happening. There is no healthy fetus being aborted at 8 months. I would also consider that wrong. The only reason a fetus would be aborted at 8 months would be because it isn’t viable, or both the mom and baby are going to die.
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In New York there are.
 
TheFifthScallop said:
50%

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That's easily enough for me to say that aborting a fetus at 5 months is immoral, given that it means that performing and abortion at 5 months means that 50% of the time you're killing a baby who could be born, and survive, that day.

If memory serves once a pregnancy gets to 4 months the chances of that baby not coming to term are like 1%.
 
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