They should have cast Dirk Nowitzki
The Wheel of Time (November 2021)
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The two don't have anything to do with each other, really. Magic exists in the world, but it's still a recognisable human world. And there is no place on earth where you go deep into the interior of a continent, go to a small, nothing town where it's a big deal when anyone visits the village, because it happens so rarely........ and then it's a cosmopolitan melting pot with everyone from all over the planet represented.
I was waiting for someone to complain about the different ethnicities being unrealistic in a show where people literally use magic to mess with the pattern that creates the fabric of time.
I just didn’t think it would be you,@John Lee Pettimore
It means the great cities don't look any different than the nothing villages, and it means that nobody looks like they're from anywhere in particular. If the Dothraki included a healthy representation of Scottish gingers and 5 foot tall Cambodians, would they have been better onscreen for it? They would have lost believability, and the immersion would have been broken.
I genuinely don't care if the main 4 are black, Asian, whatever. It's irrelevant to the story. But they should all be the same. Because they're all from a nothing little village in the middle of nowhere, that nobody ever moves to or leaves for centuries. To me, having this village's population being so obviously and heavily diversity-managed is less "realistic" and more immersion-breaking than some characters having magical powers is. ?
i hear ya. book Rand is taller than Perrin. but Perrin is jacked. they went Perrin being the tallest. just another way of saying that Perrin is imposing
also, i dont believe anything in the text states that the Two River folk are irish/english type white. most of them are said to have brown hair, brown eyes
and other people, like Elayne are said to have lighter skin irrc
plus, the Two Rivers are descendants of a huge metropolis (manetheren)
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and in terms of other shows:
- Cersei, Jaime, Ned Stark, and Robert Baratheon were casted 15-20 years older than their book characters
- Robert Baratheon was casted 8 inches shorter than book Robert
but Lena Headey, Nicholai Coster-Waldau, Sean Bean, and Mark Addy all killed their roles
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You need to work on your suspension of disbelief my friend. Learn to love it, because it’s not going anywhere (multi racial casting)
have you seen episode 2 yet? the Two Rivers are descendants of a huge, diverse city
Weep for Manetheren, bro. Weep for what is lost forever.
I can't have an opinion on the books. I was sleeping 16-18 hours a day when I read the first one.
All I retain are impressions, and I could and will be off with some of them. ?My missus is disappointed in him, though. She reckons he's supposed to have arms like tree trunks, and no neck.
For sure, so much to come yet. First impressions are only first impressions, and a TV adaptation always has to make changes to things, especially with such a massive story. Rand's actor is starting to grow on me, though I still find him too generic blonde mactor (model/actor) type. I think they could have gone with someone more interesting-looking, but, early days.
I mean you wouldn't kick her out of bed for eating potato chips, but it's a bit of a Princess Bride Buttercup syndrome for me. When you make a big deal about how hot a character is, you have to cast a genuine head-turning stunner. Like Missandei from Got - no matter your personal preference in women, she is objectively gorgeous. Eugene is attractive for sure, but if you go to the local university and visit the Psych101 class in the main lecture hall, there will be half a dozen more beautiful chicks in there, IMO.
Yeah they are definitely the standouts for me. Moraine's the MVP by far. I want Lan to be the same actor, but 20 years older.
I am a bit autistic (for real) and it kinda drives me a bit nuts when I see creative decisions being made for non-creative, non-budgetary reasons, that everybody involved knows make the show less "real", but they do it anyway.
That's awesome. I am fully on board with that, just like I'm fully on board with being a fan of multiple badass female MMA fighters. As I said, Moraine by far my MVP of the show so far. ?
But - let the badass female characters show themselves naturally, in the course of the story. Don't shove it down our throats. James Bond doesn't constantly go on about how awesome and badass men are - he's just awesome and badass, and he's a man. This epic fantasy world is female-centric. Good. That will show itself naturally throughout the story, as the world is built and developed.
Because this world is female-centric, it makes it more irritating when they then pile a bunch more immersion-breaking woke feminist nonsense on top of it.
Perrin has a wife now. Okay, whatever. Oh, and she's a blacksmith as well, and she's introduced working the forge by herself while everyone else is at the party. She's more into being a blacksmith than he is.
Ummmmm...... why?
This pre-industrial village doesn't have a female blacksmith hammering out heavy iron farm equipment. That's immersion-breaking. Same as the random peasant village women picking up random farm implements and confronting and killing a trolloc while taunting it. I'm all for badass female characters both magical and non-magical. I just don't like immersion-breaking nonsense thrown in there for a cheap pop from the Twitter feminist crowd. ?
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I am all for multi-racial casting.
But not everywhere, for everything.
I don't care if you have a black James Bond, or if all 4 of the main characters are whatever race or ethnicity you name. Doesn't matter to me, it's irrelevant to the story being told and the world being built.
But if they're from a nothing, near-totally isolated insignificant village in the middle of nowhere....... then whatever they are, they should all look like they come from the same place. If they're from a big city in this world then sure, make it a rainbow casting.
Look, it's not something I'm gonna get in a huff and call for a boycott over, or stop watching the show or anything dumb like that.
It's just a bit irritating to me because it's very heavyhanded, there's no creative necessity for it, and in fact it comes at the cost of a little bit of believability for the show's world.
Is all.
I can expand on it, if you like.
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Oh, I hadn't though about that! And the circular nature of time and events in this universe can certainly provide a reason.
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EDIT: some very high-level type spoilers in this post below. nothing detailed. just world-building type stuff related to the Wheel / Magic / etc
the kids are aged up about 4 years in the show. in the books, Perrin actually reflects back on how if they hadn't left Emond's Field, he probably would have married Laila. since he is 4 years older in the show before leaving, it makes sense
in terms of her being a blacksmith, and woman not being blacksmiths in pre-industrial villages ... lol ... bro, this is a world with magic. not our world. there are entire badass armies of women fights. so if women blacksmiths gets to ya, then you may not like whats to come
in terms of Two rivers folks surrounding a trolloc with woods pitchforks, keep in mind this is a world of reincarnation. past lives bleed into peoples current lives. so during times of battle, people will suddenly know what to do even though they've never been in battle before. or they'll cry out in an old tongue a battle cry that one of their ancestors cried out
its a wild world. so a few Two Rivers folk (manatheren descendants) surrounding a trolloc makes sense. in fact, they will be way more badass in the future.
the last battle is coming!
hahah for sure. sorry i shoudlve read your response firstOh, I hadn't though about that! And the circular nature of time and events in this universe can certainly provide a reason.
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yeah, the cyclical nature + reincarnation concepts allows for a lot of flexibility compared to the real world
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I’m getting so many memberberries from this Wut about u
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lol in english please?
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I will magical nonsense you so hard.
BTW I had a Lars in my dreams tonight, could have been you!
friday GMT (7pm EST thursday)
This show worth watching? Amazon is pimping it pretty hard.
depends. if you like high-fantasy, then yes
so far, i love it. and knowing the full story, it just gets better and better. this initial story was intentionally tropey (as an home to Lord of the Rings). but after the second major plot (which they may or may not squeeze into season 1), this story takes on its own wings
thursday for western hemisphere. friday for eastern hemisphereSo, Saturday here.
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however many hour ahead of GMT you are, thats how many hours into the day friday for you
I will add that even if you don’t know what “high fantasy” means exactly, the show also works if you like watching “fantasy high.”
lol well played
in regards to the term "high-fantasy," some people distinguish high vs low fantasy on the level of magic being high or low
personally, i prefer the term to distinguish between fantasy fiction that happens on a fake world vs our world
so for me, superman is low fantasy. game of thrones is high fantasy
ironically, there are very subtle clues* that the Third Age of the wheel of time that we are seeing play out now is a post-post-post-post apocolyptic earth upon which the First Age was our world, which ended in a nuclear war
* references to the "mosk vs merk," which is the result of thousands of years of the telephone-game on the names "moscow" and "america"
It’s funny you say that about the subtle clues because I picked up on at least a few bits of dialogue that were almost too familiar for them to be using. I was willing to ignore them since I can’t really nitpick how realistic the writing is when I’m watching magic and horned monsters
any lines in particular?
for me, its usually something specific. heres another fun example:
someone asks to hear the story of Lenn and how he flew to the moon in the belly of an eagle made of fire. or a story of his daughter walking among the stars
those are nods to john gLENN who orbitted the earth on the apollo nicknamed "eagle" and his daughter sally ride who was the first american woman in space