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IMG/GIF Various Maps of Syria/Iraq
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probably a really nice river and drainage
lot of those maps are possible propaganda...media is a bitch
lot of those maps are possible propaganda...media is a bitch
you know whats funny?...I am 25% lebanese...all the relatives/family are a bit alpha/agressive...probably a product of centuries of war in the DNA
Definitely a bad place to live right now, in some part...but I hear Lebanon is similar to Oregon...I like Oregon
Definitely a bad place to live right now, in some part...but I hear Lebanon is similar to Oregon...I like Oregon
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Let's try to keep this thread map-oriented guys thanks.
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For those who don't know, Iraqi Kurdish lawmakers have voted in favor of holding a vote across Iraqi Kurdish territory over whether or not Iraqi Kurdistan should become an independent state.
The autonomous region is already self-governing I'm a lot of ways, but independence could create a lot of problems with the federal Iraqi government.
Not only that, but in its fight with Islamic State, Iraqi Kurdish troops have taken and now control areas outside of the official "border" (as agreed with the Iraqi government) of Iraqi Kurdistan. These areas, unlike the agreed upon Iraqi Kurdistan territories, have large numbers of Arabs, Turkmen, and other ethnicities living in them (i.e. they're not overwhelmingly Kurdish like the official areas are).
Green striped area is what has been agreed with the central government. Solid green is territory Kurdish peshmerga (Iraqi Kurdish troops) have captured from ISIS.
Iraqi Kurdistan plans to have people in both official and captured areas vote. It will be interesting.
The autonomous region is already self-governing I'm a lot of ways, but independence could create a lot of problems with the federal Iraqi government.
Not only that, but in its fight with Islamic State, Iraqi Kurdish troops have taken and now control areas outside of the official "border" (as agreed with the Iraqi government) of Iraqi Kurdistan. These areas, unlike the agreed upon Iraqi Kurdistan territories, have large numbers of Arabs, Turkmen, and other ethnicities living in them (i.e. they're not overwhelmingly Kurdish like the official areas are).
Green striped area is what has been agreed with the central government. Solid green is territory Kurdish peshmerga (Iraqi Kurdish troops) have captured from ISIS.
Iraqi Kurdistan plans to have people in both official and captured areas vote. It will be interesting.
Did her poon smell like walrus?
You evenr smell walrus?
Christian votes apparently don't count. The Kurds are currently replacing democratically elected Assyrian mayors in the Nineveh plain towns with unelected puppets.For those who don't know, Iraqi Kurdish lawmakers have voted in favor of holding a vote across Iraqi Kurdish territory over whether or not Iraqi Kurdistan should become an independent state.
The autonomous region is already self-governing I'm a lot of ways, but independence could create a lot of problems with the federal Iraqi government.
Not only that, but in its fight with Islamic State, Iraqi Kurdish troops have taken and now control areas outside of the official "border" (as agreed with the Iraqi government) of Iraqi Kurdistan. These areas, unlike the agreed upon Iraqi Kurdistan territories, have large numbers of Arabs, Turkmen, and other ethnicities living in them (i.e. they're not overwhelmingly Kurdish like the official areas are).
Green striped area is what has been agreed with the central government. Solid green is territory Kurdish peshmerga (Iraqi Kurdish troops) have captured from ISIS.
Iraqi Kurdistan plans to have people in both official and captured areas vote. It will be interesting.
That's nothing new though. All of Iraqi 'Kurdistan' was Christian once. Every city, town and village.
Syrian 'Kurdistan' is even more recent. They all came from Turkey in the past eighty years, pushing the Christians and Arabs off of their lands in Syrian Mesopotamia.
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The Kurdistan Regional Government in Iraq is holding an independence referendum today in not only the three provinces that officially make up Iraqi Kurdistan, but also areas controlled by their forces (but also claimed by Baghdad).
Baghdad has announced the referendum as illegal, while the international community has come out against it.
Countries like Turkey and Iran are against it because they have sizeable Kurdish populations and don't want this vote (which is sure to pass) to embolden Kurds in their countries.
The U.S. is also against it, saying it destabilized the region.
The KRG had planned to vote in this two years ago but got sidetracked with the whole ISIS thing. Now that that's calmed down, they haven't forgotten.
An expected yes vote doesn't automatically mean independence. The KRG would still have to negotiate the secession with Baghdad.
But it's still significant. The dream of a country called Kurdistan is now starting to look like a reality.
Baghdad has announced the referendum as illegal, while the international community has come out against it.
Countries like Turkey and Iran are against it because they have sizeable Kurdish populations and don't want this vote (which is sure to pass) to embolden Kurds in their countries.
The U.S. is also against it, saying it destabilized the region.
The KRG had planned to vote in this two years ago but got sidetracked with the whole ISIS thing. Now that that's calmed down, they haven't forgotten.
An expected yes vote doesn't automatically mean independence. The KRG would still have to negotiate the secession with Baghdad.
But it's still significant. The dream of a country called Kurdistan is now starting to look like a reality.
I hope they get their country back. Next stop, let's take a chunk out of Turkey....The Kurdistan Regional Government in Iraq is holding an independence referendum today in not only the three provinces that officially make up Iraqi Kurdistan, but also areas controlled by their forces (but also claimed by Baghdad).
Baghdad has announced the referendum as illegal, while the international community has come out against it.
Countries like Turkey and Iran are against it because they have sizeable Kurdish populations and don't want this vote (which is sure to pass) to embolden Kurds in their countries.
The U.S. is also against it, saying it destabilized the region.
The KRG had planned to vote in this two years ago but got sidetracked with the whole ISIS thing. Now that that's calmed down, they haven't forgotten.
An expected yes vote doesn't automatically mean independence. The KRG would still have to negotiate the secession with Baghdad.
But it's still significant. The dream of a country called Kurdistan is now starting to look like a reality.
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Erdogan just had a seizure after reading this post.
The problem is the Kurds are claiming a lot of territory that doesn't historically belong to them.
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The whole of Turkey belongs to them historically.
I get your point about Kirkuk, but Barzani has said that if Kirkuk votes against independence, he won't include it.
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Territorial disputes are an unfortunate biproduct in these situations. For example, look at the Israel-Palestine situation. And as for countries claiming land that isn't historically theirs.... that list would go on and on (England, China, Russia, Turkey, etc). Iraq itself is a mere creation, a consequence of a world war, it was formerly divided and now, is bound to fall back into its former shape. The land they claim whether theirs or not, has certainly been fought for by them.
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And inhabited by them.
They're not going into territory without any Kurds and claiming it.
But Kurdistan has never existed before, they're not restoring anything to it's former status. Quite the contrary, this land has been part of Iraq through the long course if it's history and has never belonged to the Kurds. I wish the Iraqis every success holding their territorial integrity and that outsiders keep their greasy hands of their resources personally. This entire episode disgusts me.
Geez, I didn't realize the Byzantine Empire was a Kurdish entity. History keeps changing faster than I can keep up with it.
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I thought Iraq was only about 100 years old? Am I wrong in assuming Iraq is a western creation?