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Hauler

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Not a single "Shut the fuck up!" from the crowd?

Wow.
 
Zeph

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This is a Churchill theme cafe run by a well known racist. It's not some random cafe they have turned up at.
 
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I heard Zeph @Zeph has purple hair and wears a skirt

Not that there's anything wrong with that.
 
KWingJitsu

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Zeph said:
This is a Churchill theme cafe run by a well known racist. It's not some random cafe they have turned up.
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If true, it makes them even more retarded - because they should be attacking the owner, not Churchill...
 
Zeph

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KWingJitsu said:
If true, it makes them even more retarded - because they should be attacking the owner, not Churchill...
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Churchill was instrumental in causing a famine in Bengal during the war which caused the deaths of 3 million people. He shipped food from starving people to the middle east where it wasn't even needed. When they asked for food Churchill said that the famine was their own fault for “breeding like rabbits”.

This is what Churchill had to say about Indians, “I hate Indians. They are a beastly people with a beastly religion.” Leo Amery, British Secretary of State in India, said that he “didn’t see much difference between his outlook and Hitlers”. Churchill refused all aid to Bengal. Canada and US offered rice and he refused.

Here is his stance on the use of poisoned gas, “I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against the uncivilised tribes, it would spread a lively terror”. He described his time during the Boer War, where Britain corralled people into concentration camps, the first documented use of them, as 'a great lark riding about'. Then to Parliament about how franchisement would be arranged in South Africa “We must be bound by the interpretation which the other party places on it and it is undoubted that the Boers would regard it as a breach of that treaty if the franchise were in the first instance extended to any persons who are not white”.
 
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Here's another Churchill gem:

"I do not admit for instance, that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher-grade race, a more worldly wise race to put it that way, has come in and taken their place."
 
Disciplined Galt

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Churchill was a great man, not up to Hitler's level but still a solid leader. Not surprised to see a communist and a muhameddan denigrating him.
 
jason73

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conor mcgregor nut hugger said:
Here's another Churchill gem:

"I do not admit for instance, that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher-grade race, a more worldly wise race to put it that way, has come in and taken their place."
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he sounds like a stable genius to me
 
jason73

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we have nothing to lose but our brains.bill clinton is a rapist
 
Yossarian

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Zeph said:
Churchill was instrumental in causing a famine in Bengal during the war which caused the deaths of 3 million people. He shipped food from starving people to the middle east where it wasn't even needed. When they asked for food Churchill said that the famine was their own fault for “breeding like rabbits”.

This is what Churchill had to say about Indians, “I hate Indians. They are a beastly people with a beastly religion.” Leo Amery, British Secretary of State in India, said that he “didn’t see much difference between his outlook and Hitlers”. Churchill refused all aid to Bengal. Canada and US offered rice and he refused.

Here is his stance on the use of poisoned gas, “I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against the uncivilised tribes, it would spread a lively terror”. He described his time during the Boer War, where Britain corralled people into concentration camps, the first documented use of them, as 'a great lark riding about'. Then to Parliament about how franchisement would be arranged in South Africa “We must be bound by the interpretation which the other party places on it and it is undoubted that the Boers would regard it as a breach of that treaty if the franchise were in the first instance extended to any persons who are not white”.
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A convenient opinion to have when taken out of context, about a hundred years later.
 
Yossarian

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conor mcgregor nut hugger said:
Here's another Churchill gem:

"I do not admit for instance, that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher-grade race, a more worldly wise race to put it that way, has come in and taken their place."
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Teddy Roosevelt could've said the same thing, as any other white person at the time. Again, context.
 
Zeph

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Yossarian said:
A convenient opinion to have when taken out of context, about a hundred years later.
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Do we not judge Hitler for his opinions almost a hundred years later? Do we judge slave holders? Is Stalin a bad guy, or is it just out of context that he caused the Holodomor?

Everyone was racist back then is not a good reason, to me, to hold someone up as a hero, especially when they are responsible for deaths in the millions.
 
Yossarian

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Zeph said:
Everyone was racist back then is not a good reason, to me, to hold someone up as a hero
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What if he was a hero? Racist statements as he has made could've come from your grand parents/ancestors just the same. Most US presidents are responsible for many of deaths, many world leaders are, especially then. Why is he the bad guy, especially if you consider his role in WWII. Compared to other world leaders back then, he was a hero. As much as they can be a hero. Context.
 
Yossarian

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conor mcgregor nut hugger said:
It doesn't make him not racist.
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As I've said, your great grand parents would've been as much racist and ignorant about indians/natives, etc. You can't just pick out one guy and blame him for how the times were back then. It is ignoring historical context. Consider slavery, torture, etc. The further you go back, the more you'll stumble on morally objectionable situations carried out by our forefathers. That is of course because we became more "civilized" over the centuries.
 
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Zeph said:
Everyone was racist back then is not a good reason, to me, to hold someone up as a hero, especially when they are responsible for deaths in the millions.
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Do FDR, Marx, Che, LBJ racism or...maybe Ghandi and his weird boy enemas and child nude massages...get a pass for their undesirable qualities?

Eugenics studies and social Darwinism theories were pervasive in the mainstream during all these periods and I think ignoring the contribution of racism is very wrong, but also holding people to a standard without context is myopic.

"Everyone was racist back then" is a shorthand for a certain amount of accuracy when you consider the layman was hearing from scientists promoting the need to save those poor savages from themselves.
 
Zeph

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Yossarian said:
What if he was a hero? Racist statements as he has made could've come from your grand parents/ancestors just the same. Most US presidents are responsible for many of deaths, many world leaders are, especially then. Why is he the bad guy, especially if you consider his role in WWII. Compared to other world leaders back then, he was a hero. As much as they can be a hero. Context.
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My grandparents/ancestors didn't starve millions of people in Bengal.

They didn't create a paramilitary force which used arbitrary force on civilians in Ireland in reprisal for IRA attacks.

Didn't cut down every POW he captured in Afghanistan because the Pashtun's need to recognize the 'superiority of race'.

Didn't order the British army to shoot civilians that turned out in protest in Greece in 1944.

Or help to create death squads to hunt down the partisans that had defeated the Nazi's in Greece.

They also didn't organize a coup, of the democratically elected government, in Iran to keep their profits from oil extraction in 1953.

Didn't order the indiscriminate bombing of civilians in Iraq when they rose up against British rule in the 1920s.

Didn't create concentration camps for 150k people in Kenya, didn't shut their children's schools because they were 'training grounds for rebellion'.

Or circumvent international treaties to put those Kenyan prisoners into forced labour.

Maybe yours did and that's why you aren't that plussed about it.
 
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