Another thing that has bothered me was personnel radioed in that they saw Cruz crossing the campus towards the school with a backpack and duffel bag. Why wasn't the school locked down then?
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It's unclear why he didn't enter the building, but for some reason, he didn't.
And yes, like I told you in the other thread, all public schools have school resource officers (police officers) stationed at the school.
When ever videos like this are put up it is important to grab it and record it for future distribution.
I didn't see the video you posted but was it aired on CNN?
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It's since been debunked
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The following are things that people in the majority party of Congress and the executive branch have said they would support:
Moving semi-automatic rifles to 21 years old ownership in line with pistols (or at least assault weapons, both ideas have been floated)
Hundred percent background check
Improve background check system
Additional General funding to mental health services including more inpatient beds funded
Teachers being armed, potentially with funding for said training
I don't have an issue with any of these honestly, except the arming teachers thing. I don't mind a teacher having a CHL. I think the law should allow it. I wouldn't give incentive for most teachers to be in that position. I've done combat pistol training and frankly it's not easy. You have to drill it like you're a cop, shooting all the time, hundreds of rounds all the time, to maintain any level of adequate skill without being a danger to others.
I also have a concern that the background check system for which technological solutions exist right now...But I am suspect of the government bureaucratic ability to put together a quick and efficient system that doesn't hinder honest gun owners transacting legal purchases and changing firearm ownership.
Moving semi-automatic rifles to 21 years old ownership in line with pistols (or at least assault weapons, both ideas have been floated)
Hundred percent background check
Improve background check system
Additional General funding to mental health services including more inpatient beds funded
Teachers being armed, potentially with funding for said training
I don't have an issue with any of these honestly, except the arming teachers thing. I don't mind a teacher having a CHL. I think the law should allow it. I wouldn't give incentive for most teachers to be in that position. I've done combat pistol training and frankly it's not easy. You have to drill it like you're a cop, shooting all the time, hundreds of rounds all the time, to maintain any level of adequate skill without being a danger to others.
I also have a concern that the background check system for which technological solutions exist right now...But I am suspect of the government bureaucratic ability to put together a quick and efficient system that doesn't hinder honest gun owners transacting legal purchases and changing firearm ownership.
There's a lot wrong with this paragraph, amigo.
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Like the fact that I'm okay with somebody exercising an individual right for CHL despite my misgivings about the necessary training for competency, but at the same time I'm not okay paying for a a metric fuckton of teachers to become half-ass shooters and identified externally by some system to act for this reason?
Because otherwise it's just my opinion. And there's not really anything wrong with it.
I welcome detracting comments, but don't just lob that I'm wrong out there into The Ether. You owe me the effort of your own input instead of just contradiction.
@Stone Cold Enock Austin There’s also claims he attended high school in Redondo Shores, CA graduated 2015, but ppl on reddit says fake
The guy two rows above him is wearing an Eagles shirt, I was wondering what the school mascot was for Stoneman Douglas High,
He could be just a Phylly Eagles fan or his Jr High tshirt.
That's fair.
My contention would be the idea that they have to undergo some sort of "combat training". The vast majority of police officers fire their sidearm exactly once a year; during their quals. Now, in my opinion that's not nearly often enough, but by the same token a teacher would be almost infinitely less likely to ever have to pull their gun. The level of proficiency required to guard a classroom isn't very high unless we're talking about a lecture hall.
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I didn't mean to imply that they needed to do combat training drills. That was more just context that I have more experience than just shooting paper. And it's hard.
I go away from the range for for a little while due to life and come back and I'm totally rusty.
My concern becomes about making this a systemized process. Teachers are identified as defensive Shooters of sorts. There's now external pressure in that role. I just don't trust that most people, let alone most teachers who are supposedly doing this for some amount of cash, would maintain adequate firearm proficiency to be safe and useful in that role. I think the incentives are wrong.
On the other hand, while I still have my concerns about the need for higher level proficiency, somebody with a CHL is not being put into such a system with those external pressures. My guess is that they would likely hunker down in their classroom with their students and potentially potshot The Gun Man as they came to the door or in their back if an opportunity presented itself. But I think there's some level of self correcting behavior that allows that to be an independent decision process verses "the government has assigned you to defend these children teaxher/shooter". And some schools will have zero CHL holders because there are zero parties with enough interest and drive to follow that path. Vs baiting a handful of teachers into that role at each School.
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@ConorMcGregorsBeard Where did you learn that most police officers shoot that little?
One of my longest friends is a cop and their department requires a certain amount of rounds per month at the indoor range they have. He goes through a couple thousand rounds a year.
My understanding was that this would be the proposition rather than it being financially motivated.
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Trump and others were on the news this evening talking about giving "a bonus" to teachers that sign up for this role. That's what I was alluding to in that list of proposed Solutions that might pass Congress and the executive.
Obviously some departments will have different standard than others, but I have family whom are police officers in other cities, and the range I frequent is also the range of the local PD. I've had more than one officer say that "hate shooting their gun". Having said that, even a couple thousand rounds a year isn't exactly a ton.
Where did you learn that most police officers shoot that little?
One of my longest friends is a cop and their department requires a certain amount of rounds per month at the indoor range they have. He goes through a couple thousand rounds a year.
Yeah, it's hard to say. I can understand wanting to incentivize it, but obviously you need to be concerned about people doing it just for the payday. What I absolutely wouldn't want was teacher's being told to sweep halls and shit like that.
I should totally have a gun. To defend the children.
I don't think the teachers should be put in this position. It doesn't matter if they shoot a thousand rounds a day. That doesn't train you for someone shooting back.
Let teachers teach and hire law enforcement (I know, lot of good it did here) or someone with military experience.
Let teachers teach and hire law enforcement (I know, lot of good it did here) or someone with military experience.
I'd like to see the mental health issue addressed more. We (the hospital) regularly turn patients away due to the "overt act" law. (You can't force treatment unless they commit an overt act.) Its kinda too late then.
When I went to high school it wasn't unusual to see long guns hanging in a rack in the back window of a truck in the parking lot. However, school shootings were almost unheard of. I think it's more a society issue. Video games and social media are raising our kids.
Maybe it's just me but in the majority of these cases, parents don't seem very involved with their kid's lives.
