Be honest: what would the MMA world be saying if Conor won a title from 11th ranked guy?

[tang]

@conor mcgregor nut hugger
first of all rankings are stupid, and definitely, Conor was way more impressive in the way he won the belt.

if Conor went through a similar scenario to Khabib's, and won the belt the same way, I'd talk shit because if Conor goes the distance, that's not how he usually fights, he usually KO's people. So, criticism would be fair IMO.

in Khabib's situation, he's still undefeated, 26-0, and like it or not, Khabib did the same thing he did to all of 25 opponents. He might have gassed and deviated little bit during 3rd and 4th, but he won every round, how HE ALWAYS DOES.
not to mention the cluster fuck that happened was pretty much initiated by Conor's actions.
but that's only one aspect of this whole thing.

Khabib's undefeated while winning the belt, in that department, Khabib's better.

Holloway defended his featherweight belt, so in that sense, Holloway's better in that department.

Ferguson went 10-0 in the division to win the title vs Conor's 6-0, so Tony's better in that department.

I don't hate Conor, I always want to watch him fight. I'm just disappointed for him not fighting, holding up the division, thinking he's above everyone else. I get it, he's the biggest draw, most valued fighter in the entire UFC, and holding out for better payout and all that but if he really wants to do his own thing, just opt out and start his own promotion, why all this raucous?

 

[D241]

OP has a point here. Having said that Conor got his FW title shot off beating Siver who was out if the top ten. Then got his LW title shot by going 1-1 with Diaz who iirc was ranked out of the top 5.

I recognize Khabib as the LW champ. He could've just said his not fighting anyone if he wanted to. He was committed to going in with Tony who's a monster. He couldn't control the series of events that led to him fighting Al.

I guarantee you that when you look at Conor's run to the title versus any other's at 145, Conor's is just as if not more deserving. More than welcome to prove me wrong though.

 

[La Paix]

I guarantee you that when you look at Conor's run to the title versus any other's at 145, Conor's is just as if not more deserving. More than welcome to prove me wrong though.

I could try and make an arguement but any debating would be just for the sake of debating I bet. FW is still pretty new and has my been considered very deep until lately.

I used the Siver fight specifically for that reason. I could probably search it but I'm sure that Siver was ranked 11th and once the Conor fight was getting set up he somehow got bumped up to 9th and was coming off a 14 month suspension or something. To me that's pretty obvious promotional tactics to ensure Conor could main event for the title. I cant remember what the rest of the division was doing at that time so I'm sure there's some gaps in my story.

@MMAHAWK is this how you remember it?

 

[Joemacka]

I could try and make an arguement but any debating would be just for the sake of debating I bet. FW is still pretty new and has my been considered very deep until lately.

I used the Siver fight specifically for that reason. I could probably search it but I'm sure that Siver was ranked 11th and once the Conor fight was getting set up he somehow got bumped up to 9th and was coming off a 14 month suspension or something. To me that's pretty obvious promotional tactics to ensure Conor could main event for the title. I cant remember what the rest of the division was doing at that time so I'm sure there's some gaps in my story.

@MMAHAWK is this how you remember it?

Mcgregor blew his knee against Holloway. When he came back he beat Brandao, Poirier then Siver.

 

[La Paix]

Mcgregor blew his knee against Holloway. When he came back he beat Brandao, Poirier then Siver.

Why Siver though? Nobody else or...

 

[Joemacka]

Why Siver though? Nobody else or...

Im trying to think back. I think Mendes has just lost to Aldo, Edgar beat Swanson i think a month before the Siver fight.

 

[La Paix]

Im trying to think back. I think Mendes has just lost to Aldo, Edgar beat Swanson i think a month before the Siver fight.

I'm still annoyed we never saw Conor va Edhar or Swanson. Would've been fun fights to watch.

 

[Joemacka]

I'm still annoyed we never saw Conor va Edhar or Swanson. Would've been fun fights to watch.

The Edgar fight intrigued me at that time, i think Mcgregor would have walked through Swanson tho. Mendes shouldnt have got that short notice fight, he was on a one fight win streak and Edgar was on a 5 fight streak i think.

 

[MMAHAWK]

I could try and make an arguement but any debating would be just for the sake of debating I bet. FW is still pretty new and has my been considered very deep until lately.

I used the Siver fight specifically for that reason. I could probably search it but I'm sure that Siver was ranked 11th and once the Conor fight was getting set up he somehow got bumped up to 9th and was coming off a 14 month suspension or something. To me that's pretty obvious promotional tactics to ensure Conor could main event for the title. I cant remember what the rest of the division was doing at that time so I'm sure there's some gaps in my story.

@MMAHAWK is this how you remember it?

I can’t recall exactly but the UFC was definitely manipulating the rankings as needed.

This is January prior to the Siver bout, he’s honorable mention . Also breaks down that other then Lentz the top 10 wasn’t really available.

In February Siver was still outside the top 10 but Conor mood from 4 to 3 with the win.

 

[D241]

I could try and make an arguement but any debating would be just for the sake of debating I bet. FW is still pretty new and has my been considered very deep until lately.

I used the Siver fight specifically for that reason. I could probably search it but I'm sure that Siver was ranked 11th and once the Conor fight was getting set up he somehow got bumped up to 9th and was coming off a 14 month suspension or something. To me that's pretty obvious promotional tactics to ensure Conor could main event for the title. I cant remember what the rest of the division was doing at that time so I'm sure there's some gaps in my story.

@MMAHAWK is this how you remember it?

You make it sound as if Conor McGregor was not deserving of the title shot, and it's disingenuous or misinformed.

Conor McGregor's run to Jose Aldo was As Legitimate As ANY Featherweights before him.

By all means, tell me who had a better run to UFC's 145 title than Conor.

It wasn't Jose, as he literally was handed the title.

Mark Hominick beat George Roop and then got a title shot. Who he beat before George does not surpass who Conor beat

Kenny Florian beat Diego Nunes before getting a title shot, and before that he lost.

Chad Mendes beat Nick Lentz before getting his title shot. He had a very legit list of opponents before getting his title shot*Conor beat Chad on the way to his

Korean Zombi beat 2012 Dustin Poirier before getting his title shot. Zombi was 3-2 leading up to his title fight with Jose.

Frankie Edgar was riding a 2 fight losing streak before fighting Jose Aldo for the title.

Ricardo Lamas beat Eric Koch before getting his title shot.


Conor McGregor was riding a 14 fight win streak, 6-0 in UFC before getting his title shot, finishing 5 of his 6 with his only decision being to a man who would become the eventual 145 champ himself, he beat Chad Mendes before getting his title shot.



So, your point of UFC trying to "hype Denis Siver in order to 'justify' Conor McGregor getting a push or a title shot" is not valid.

Conor EARNED his title shot. I can say a lot of things about Conor, but acting like Denis Siver fight was some big push and Conor is somehow undeserving is disingenuous.

Take it back!

 

[Dirty Harry Potter]

I think he sure as hell earned it, and just as sure earned having it/them taken away.
All the BS and drama aside, that one simple fact- him not attempting to defend- makes
me feel cheated and angry. Not just at CM, but the UFC as well . They get their cash-cow
superfights , a few people make bank, but other fighters get hosed for over a year , and I
feel hosed as a fan , so, in my opinion, the whole thing stinks just because of that.
The latest tabloid drama sucks for other, obvious reasons, but before that, it was
sucking bad because the belts were being held in limbo. I call (retroactive) "BULLSHIT !" .

 

[La Paix]

You make it sound as if Conor McGregor was not deserving of the title shot, and it's disingenuous or misinformed.

Conor McGregor's run to Jose Aldo was As Legitimate As ANY Featherweights before him.

By all means, tell me who had a better run to UFC's 145 title than Conor.

It wasn't Jose, as he literally was handed the title.

Mark Hominick beat George Roop and then got a title shot. Who he beat before George does not surpass who Conor beat

Kenny Florian beat Diego Nunes before getting a title shot, and before that he lost.

Chad Mendes beat Nick Lentz before getting his title shot. He had a very legit list of opponents before getting his title shot*Conor beat Chad on the way to his

Korean Zombi beat 2012 Dustin Poirier before getting his title shot. Zombi was 3-2 leading up to his title fight with Jose.

Frankie Edgar was riding a 2 fight losing streak before fighting Jose Aldo for the title.

Ricardo Lamas beat Eric Koch before getting his title shot.


Conor McGregor was riding a 14 fight win streak, 6-0 in UFC before getting his title shot, finishing 5 of his 6 with his only decision being to a man who would become the eventual 145 champ himself, he beat Chad Mendes before getting his title shot.



So, your point of UFC trying to "hype Denis Siver in order to 'justify' Conor McGregor getting a push or a title shot" is not valid.

Conor EARNED his title shot. I can say a lot of things about Conor, but acting like Denis Siver fight was some big push and Conor is somehow undeserving is disingenuous.

Take it back!

Dude, did you read my post? I have no issue with his path except Siver and as @MMAHAWK just posted there was some rickety getting Siver into the top 10 right before.

 

[MMAHAWK]

You make it sound as if Conor McGregor was not deserving of the title shot, and it's disingenuous or misinformed.

Conor McGregor's run to Jose Aldo was As Legitimate As ANY Featherweights before him.

By all means, tell me who had a better run to UFC's 145 title than Conor.

It wasn't Jose, as he literally was handed the title.

Mark Hominick beat George Roop and then got a title shot. Who he beat before George does not surpass who Conor beat

Kenny Florian beat Diego Nunes before getting a title shot, and before that he lost.

Chad Mendes beat Nick Lentz before getting his title shot. He had a very legit list of opponents before getting his title shot*Conor beat Chad on the way to his

Korean Zombi beat 2012 Dustin Poirier before getting his title shot. Zombi was 3-2 leading up to his title fight with Jose.

Frankie Edgar was riding a 2 fight losing streak before fighting Jose Aldo for the title.

Ricardo Lamas beat Eric Koch before getting his title shot.


Conor McGregor was riding a 14 fight win streak, 6-0 in UFC before getting his title shot, finishing 5 of his 6 with his only decision being to a man who would become the eventual 145 champ himself, he beat Chad Mendes before getting his title shot.



So, your point of UFC trying to "hype Denis Siver in order to 'justify' Conor McGregor getting a push or a title shot" is not valid.

Conor EARNED his title shot. I can say a lot of things about Conor, but acting like Denis Siver fight was some big push and Conor is somehow undeserving is disingenuous.

Take it back!

Well if we want to get picky, the bottom line is he got a title shot with only 1 top ten win (Poirier) who was #5 in September 2014. Everything aligned for him to get to Aldo.

 

[Ted Williams' head]

Because you literally have been on a crusade to shit on Khabib and glorify Conor since last week. How the fudge can you be so unaware of your own content.

Conor is a heck of a fighter, he needs to fucking earn it though. Do you not forget when Conor was at FW, he shit on his own comp, according to Conor he beat up a bunch of dwarfs, in his own words. I personally think his best win is Aldo, but Conor over and over has disparaged Aldo's ability.

Also, at the end of the day, as soon as Conor started fighting people his own size, in the 3 fights since he left 145, he has 1 brilliant win against Eddie, 1 horrible loss against Nate, and the 2nd fight with Nate was the epitome of a draw.

Be better than @conor mcgregor nut hugger , I know you are better than that guy in terms of posting. Sure the judges gave Conor a win, but if you are honest with yourself you will know that fight was really a draw.

Judges scored Hendo the victor in the first Shogun fight, true fans recognize that as a draw. Judges gave Lawler the win over Condit, 18 of 22 media scored it for Condit, if anything it was either a close Condit win or a draw.

You know full well MMA has the worst judges on earth, I mean for God's sake some moron judge gave Felice the win over Karolina last Saturday, I did not even think Felice even got close to winning a single round, maybe the 3rd, and a judge gave her the win.

To most honest observers the Conor is 1-1-1 at above 145 in the UFC< if he beats Khabib, Ferg, shoot even Barboza or Kevin Lee I will start saying how great he is, but he has not.

Let him earn it, all the other greats have.

All I ask is that you be respectful and save your personal attacks for the Off Topic forum.

Not for my sake, but to be respectful to the vision on this forum's creators. When lurkers see your kind of vitriolic rhetoric on the main MMA board, they will feel less likely to sign up.

You can say anything you want about me, I don't mind. Just keep it in the OT.

 

[Robbie Hart]

Mcgregor blew his knee against Holloway. When he came back he beat Brandao, Poirier then Siver.

Part of the game, he blew out his knee fighting.......

 

[Kingtony87]

I can’t recall exactly but the UFC was definitely manipulating the rankings as needed.

This is January prior to the Siver bout, he’s honorable mention . Also breaks down that other then Lentz the top 10 wasn’t really available.

In February Siver was still outside the top 10 but Conor mood from 4 to 3 with the win.

So crazy max was barely top 10

 

[kneeblock]

Conor beat legit enough dudes to be in the top 5 for title contention, but he wasn't top 3 when he fought Mendes and even if he was afterward, Mendes taking it on short notice nullifies a bit of that claim. Still, he one shot Aldo, undeniably making him the best FW. His fighting Alvarez post-Diaz you could argue wasn't deserved, but as a champ you could also argue any champ vs champ booking is viable. He was never supposed to fight Diaz, of course, and always supposed to be booked into a title fight, originally with RDA. Then after getting the LW belt, the Floyd thing happened, which was dumb, but worthwhile monetarily.

Khabib meanwhile crushed a bunch of guys, but only two of them were even in the top 5 at the time and they were RDA and Barboza. He could've fought for the title after RDA, but injuries and cake plagued him. He undeniably shot into the top 3 after Barboza, but arguably at #3, not #2 as they billed him. Iaquinta was obviously ranked lower and inactive. Putting a belt on the line for this unfortunate replacement fight was only a tactic to make the fight easier to promote, but that title is pure paper. Ferguson should not have been stripped of his interim title. Conor is still lineal champ. Khabib's title is basically as meaningful as the million dollar belt.

 

[yuushi]

I wouldn't be praising Conor for it

Of course, I'm not praising Khabib for it either.

 

[member 3289]

Part of the game, he blew out his knee fighting.......

Yeah but he didn't even flinch when it happened. A lot of guys would either quit or half-ass it and lose a decision.

Conor doesn't quit. Conor doesn't half-ass. Conor doesn't stay on the bus where it's safe.

 

[Ted Williams' head]

Pretty crazy to think that the two greatest 145lbers of all time are Aldo and Holloway, and Conor has dominant wins over both of them.

 

[SensoriaUtopia]

All I ask is that you be respectful and save your personal attacks for the Off Topic forum.

Not for my sake, but to be respectful to the vision on this forum's creators. When lurkers see your kind of vitriolic rhetoric on the main MMA board, they will feel less likely to sign up.

You can say anything you want about me, I don't mind. Just keep it in the OT.

You realize anytime any puts "did not read" that is a translation of saying

"I have zero input or ability to retort, you crushed me on the topic, so I will just act like I did not read"

Mic Drop

 

[SensoriaUtopia]

Conor beat legit enough dudes to be in the top 5 for title contention, but he wasn't top 3 when he fought Mendes and even if he was afterward, Mendes taking it on short notice nullifies a bit of that claim. Still, he one shot Aldo, undeniably making him the best FW. His fighting Alvarez post-Diaz you could argue wasn't deserved, but as a champ you could also argue any champ vs champ booking is viable. He was never supposed to fight Diaz, of course, and always supposed to be booked into a title fight, originally with RDA. Then after getting the LW belt, the Floyd thing happened, which was dumb, but worthwhile monetarily.

Khabib meanwhile crushed a bunch of guys, but only two of them were even in the top 5 at the time and they were RDA and Barboza. He could've fought for the title after RDA, but injuries and cake plagued him. He undeniably shot into the top 3 after Barboza, but arguably at #3, not #2 as they billed him. Iaquinta was obviously ranked lower and inactive. Putting a belt on the line for this unfortunate replacement fight was only a tactic to make the fight easier to promote, but that title is pure paper. Ferguson should not have been stripped of his interim title. Conor is still lineal champ. Khabib's title is basically as meaningful as the million dollar belt.

That's really just a bunch of boolsheet

You fight who they put in front of you, Khabib has and has never lost.

Is it his fault Conor is a cokehead that will not defend his belt?
Is it his fault that Tony Ferg kicks metal poles and wear sunglasses indoors on fight week and gets hurt?


Conor beat dwarfs at 145 in his own words and is essentailly 1-1-1 at fighting above 145 and has a horrible loss to Nate.

You clearly also seem not to grasp how deep lw is, that is sad from a poster of your tenure. Iaquinta was ranked 11th, do you always only look at the surface? Poirier if he beats Gaethje might get the next shot at Khabib, Gaethje has lost once ever, to Eddie, if you put Al in with either of those guys it's a tossup fight to me.

There is almost no seperation between a guy ranked 4 at lw in the ufc compared to a guy at 11 or even 15, shoot I can find guys that are in the 15 to 25 range at lw that would do well against the top 5 lw's.

James Vick is like 15th ranked, that guy beats or is a tossup to beat most top 10 155 ers

Really shocked to see you drop the ball horribly and not grasp what is going on with this topic

 

[member 3289]

@conor mcgregor nut hugger

No idea why I was tagged but I'll address some of what you wrote.

if Conor went through a similar scenario to Khabib's, and won the belt the same way, I'd talk shit because if Conor goes the distance, that's not how he usually fights, he usually KO's people. So, criticism would be fair IMO.

So nice to see your double standard on display.

in Khabib's situation, he's still undefeated, 26-0, and like it or not, Khabib did the same thing he did to all of 25 opponents.

Incorrect. Khabib has 8 knockouts, 8 submissions, and 10 decisions.

He might have gassed and deviated little bit during 3rd and 4th, but he won every round, how HE ALWAYS DOES.

I personally gave Al the 4th but the judges didn't so ok this might be your only rational point.

Khabib's undefeated while winning the belt, in that department, Khabib's better.

Holloway defended his featherweight belt, so in that sense, Holloway's better in that department.

Ferguson went 10-0 in the division to win the title vs Conor's 6-0, so Tony's better in that department.

Faulty analogy fallacy. Apples and oranges, man. Apples and oranges.

but if he really wants to do his own thing, just opt out and start his own promotion, why all this raucous?

Who said that's what he wants to do. He's always stated that he wants partial ownership of the UFC.

The raucous is what sells.

 

[Ted Williams' head]

if Conor went through a similar scenario to Khabib's, and won the belt the same way, I'd talk shit because if Conor goes the distance, that's not how he usually fights, he usually KO's people. So, criticism would be fair IMO.

It's always nice when people just come out and admit their unfair bias and you don't have to pry it out of them.

 

[La Paix]

That's really just a bunch of boolsheet

You fight who they put in front of you, Khabib has and has never lost.

Is it his fault Conor is a cokehead that will not defend his belt?
Is it his fault that Tony Ferg kicks metal poles and wear sunglasses indoors on fight week and gets hurt?


Conor beat dwarfs at 145 in his own words and is essentailly 1-1-1 at fighting above 145 and has a horrible loss to Nate.

You clearly also seem not to grasp how deep lw is, that is sad from a poster of your tenure. Iaquinta was ranked 11th, do you always only look at the surface? Poirier if he beats Gaethje might get the next shot at Khabib, Gaethje has lost once ever, to Eddie, if you put Al in with either of those guys it's a tossup fight to me.

There is almost no seperation between a guy ranked 4 at lw in the ufc compared to a guy at 11 or even 15, shoot I can find guys that are in the 15 to 25 range at lw that would do well against the top 5 lw's.

James Vick is like 15th ranked, that guy beats or is a tossup to beat most top 10 155 ers

Really shocked to see you drop the ball horribly and not grasp what is going on with this topic

So much revisionism, high horsing, assumptions and back handed complimenting here.