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tang

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Oct 21, 2015
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I think you're condemning the lockdown before we determine how good our response is. South Korea's response is exemplary right from the beginning, and China has a lot of blame for their initial reaction. But once the spread was endemic it was a choice between what type of social harm happened. Either they act draconinan, but also with great swiftness in building hospitals, instituting mass testing and social distancing across the rest of the country, or they could have continuned to let it spread and lost lives that way. Draconinan response was needed because of how poor their initial response was.
South Korea’s response was good due to their citizens having almost zero privacy. Everything is monitored over there is the reason why they were able to track down people so fast.
Situations like right now is good for Governments spying on you but in everyday life, they suffer.

you can’t have everything you want
 

Splinty

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Dec 31, 2014
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I think you're condemning the lockdown before we determine how good our response is. South Korea's response is exemplary right from the beginning, and China has a lot of blame for their initial reaction. But once the spread was endemic it was a choice between what type of social harm happened. Either they act draconinan, but also with great swiftness in building hospitals, instituting mass testing and social distancing across the rest of the country, or they could have continuned to let it spread and lost lives that way. Draconinan response was needed because of how poor their initial response was.
I don't need to see our response to know what our response should be. We know exactly what the threat of the virus is.

The United States and South Korea both started with the same tracking and containment model. We then followed that up with the exact same course of doubling of diseases over the same period of time.
South Korea then instituted social distancing and testing.

We have the ability to do both of those things and if we don't I will consider it a failure. If we institute welding people in their houses without providing a social safety net of food and water for them I will consider it a failure.

Even with Italy mismanaging outcome, At no point has Italy welded people into their apartments with no plan for food from the same government that lock them in...To force them and their neighbors to pool money in communal loan schemes to send someone, that is allowed, on a food run, to not starve.

I see some sort of giddy excitement about authoritarian efficiency in so many conversations. And I kind of get it. It's sort of like a mental consideration of the extremes and what's possible if you ignore other things. China built a hospital in two days or whatever. Wow that's amazing. China has factories that can pump out product at astonishing rates...Just ignore the slave labor and safety violations!
In that same thinking, and considering that we are actively considering what policies and where that line is for public obligation and individual safety and harm, I think it's really important to call out the absolute failures of the draconian policies when they go that far. If you save me from a viral hospitalization, but leave me to nearly starve to death, have you helped me?
 

Zeph

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Jan 22, 2015
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I don't need to see our response to know what our response should be. We know exactly what the threat of the virus is.

The United States and South Korea both started with the same tracking and containment model. We then followed that up with the exact same course of doubling of diseases over the same period of time.
South Korea then instituted social distancing and testing.

We have the ability to do both of those things and if we don't I will consider it a failure. If we institute welding people in their houses without providing a social safety net of food and water for them I will consider it a failure.

Even with Italy mismanaging outcome, At no point has Italy welded people into their apartments with no plan for food from the same government that lock them in...To force them and their neighbors to pool money in communal loan schemes to send someone, that is allowed, on a food run, to not starve.

I see some sort of giddy excitement about authoritarian efficiency in so many conversations. And I kind of get it. It's sort of like a mental consideration of the extremes and what's possible if you ignore other things. China built a hospital in two days or whatever. Wow that's amazing. China has factories that can pump out product at astonishing rates...Just ignore the slave labor and safety violations!
In that same thinking, and considering that we are actively considering what policies and where that line is for public obligation and individual safety and harm, I think it's really important to call out the absolute failures of the draconian policies when they go that far. If you save me from a viral hospitalization, but leave me to nearly starve to death, have you helped me?
ok you make some good points
 

mysticmac

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Oct 18, 2015
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We have the ability to do both of those things and if we don't I will consider it a failure. If we institute walking people in their houses without providing a social safety net of food and water for them I will consider it a failure.
We're already doing that in many areas. We're a much larger country than South Korea.
 

Splinty

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Dec 31, 2014
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Hospital updates:

I am now to wear a mask anytime I'm on the wards. They are worried I will get infected by a patient and then be out of the fight.

No visitors in some areas. Limited visitors in OB.
Visitor waiting rooms all closed.

Policy coming that I will be showering and strict scrub changes coming and going from hospital. This is a bit challenging because I'm private and sometimes I just run over for one thing and go back to clinic.
 

silentsinger

Momofuku
Jun 23, 2015
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South Korea’s response was good due to their citizens having almost zero privacy. Everything is monitored over there is the reason why they were able to track down people so fast.
Situations like right now is good for Governments spying on you but in everyday life, they suffer.

you can’t have everything you want
If you want for anything, matey, hit me up. I haven't stockpiled but I probably have enough of stuff to last for a month and with a newborn your need is greater than mine. Just give me a shout and you can pick it up, you're seconds away from me.
 

mysticmac

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Oct 18, 2015
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We are welding people in?
No, the paragraph I quoted followed your statement of South Korea then instituted social distancing and testing. I probably should only have quoted the first sentence.

But, I mean, I can get my welder out if need be.
 

Splinty

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Dec 31, 2014
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No, the paragraph I quoted followed your statement of South Korea then instituted social distancing and testing. I probably should only have quoted the first sentence.
We should be social distancing and testing. With that we're asking people to stay home and it's going to cause an economic impact. Ethically we owe all these same people some sort of safety net of food and water until this is over. They are doing their part.
 

Eric Trump

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Nov 21, 2017
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those masks do fuck all. Just stay away from people. It is ridiculous forcing people to wear them just to go to a grocery store. My country is so retarded they implement everything they can just to be "safe" without knowing anything. We dont have scientists, medical professionals, nothing. Just a buch of doctors from afganistan who remove appendixes