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Zeph

Zeph

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Inside Job said:
some yes, but not all

2400+ die daily in Italy pre corona testing

certainly not all that test positive would not have passed away with or without
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We are talking about an increase from that normal daily deaths. The increase is mostly attributeable to Covid-19. Some variance would be fair, but not what is seen in those graphs.
 
BeardOfKnowledge

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Zeph said:
They wouldn't have died all around the same time if they didn't contract covid-19. The logic you're espousing, that's not yours apparently, is fallacious. They may have recovered or lived a significant period before succumbing to their pre-existing condition. Therefore they should rightfully be attributed to covid-19 because it is such a large increase from the historical norms. Covid-19 took these people before their time, regardless of if it laid the last blow itself.
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No one knows for sure it was C19 (could have been severe seasonal flu) they also don't know those people would have been long lived. I also notice they don't have any causes of death of the people they've decided were offed by C19. They're looking at a statistical anamoly and passing it off as a fact. It's not science, it's speculation, and it's not helpful.
 
Filthy

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ConorMcGregorsBeard said:
Have you seen a stat for how many people have been tested with symptoms and come back negative?
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it's colored the same way, they're only testing people that meet a certain set of conditions.
it's not a representative sample of the population
 
sparkuri

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sparkuri said:
Italy is scaling back testing, simply because they are overwhelmed.
I see your argument, but imo, we are testing at a higher rate, and will probably pass Italy by a few thousand or so, but will be interesting to monitor.
I see a +12-15,000 U.S. case count tomorrow, with Italy probably upping around 4000 or so.
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Filthy

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ConorMcGregorsBeard said:
Here (city of a million) we had out first case 14 days ago, they've tested over 4000 people and we've got 30 positive cases.
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how's your population density and traffic flow, compared to...New York City?

because it's not going to hit everywhere at once.
 
BeardOfKnowledge

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Brian Ortega's Goon Hand said:
how's your population density and traffic flow, compared to...New York City?

because it's not going to hit everywhere at once.
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No one's population denisty is like New York, lol. That being said, we're a large geogrpahic city and it's mostly been found with people who brought it back. My concern here is they throttled things back too early.
 
Filthy

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ConorMcGregorsBeard said:
No one's population denisty is like New York, lol. That being said, we're a large geogrpahic city and it's mostly been found with people who brought it back. My concern here is they throttled things back too early.
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it's not something that you can throttle back incrementally over geography. You need to throttle down hard, everywhere, then slowly turn things back on with people who are low risk (not just to themselves, but to the community) and people who already have antibodies.
 
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Brian Ortega's Goon Hand said:
it's not something that you can throttle back incrementally over geography. You need to throttle down hard, everywhere, then slowly turn things back on with people who are low risk (not just to themselves, but to the community) and people who already have antibodies.
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Did you see my bad ass feat?
 
BeardOfKnowledge

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Brian Ortega's Goon Hand said:
it's not something that you can throttle back incrementally over geography. You need to throttle down hard, everywhere, then slowly turn things back on with people who are low risk (not just to themselves, but to the community) and people who already have antibodies.
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We aren't seeing enough cases, to ever be low risk. It's almost like the situation Splinty @Splinty has explained with China where they're keeping it contained in Wuhan, apparently not knowing that eventually it's going to get into Beijing.
 
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