General Texas bans abortion at approximately 6 weeks

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BeardOfKnowledge

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I don't think every victim of rape or incest has access to those agencies in time to take emergency contraception. Also haven't they been trying to cut funding to those agencies like planned parenthood? Aside from the possibility of people being trapped with their abuser or not being able to speak up about it right away, Texas used to have a large medically underserved population. @Splinty would know the real situation these days.
It's very possible. In the case of something like being trapped with an abuser, the odds of them being able to get an abortion strike me as somewhat low anyways. That being said, there's also the statistic where rape and incest account for very few abortions, but are disproportionately the focus of the abortion debate.

If you don't mind me asking at what point do you think an abortion should no longer be offered to a woman?
 

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I don't think there should logically be exceptions for rape. Let me first make clear that I am 100% pro choice and I find abortion laws repugnant. However, if you are making these laws because you believe you are saving a baby's life, then someone getting raped is terrible but not enough to kill a baby over.
 
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What's driving that?

Texas GOP rejecting Obamacare expansion is a big portion of it as far as recent options to intervene. That leaves Medicaid severely underfunded in our state and as such good luck finding a doctor and especially not a specialist if you're on Medicaid.
We have a huge uninsured rate because of many factors. Some of it is large rural populations that don't have access to benefits at their jobs but don't qualify for Medicaid. And then there's the valley which is full of illegal immigrants having children in poverty and their subsequent highest in the state teen pregnancy rate which almost inevitably means more poverty children.
 

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It's very possible. In the case of something like being trapped with an abuser, the odds of them being able to get an abortion strike me as somewhat low anyways. That being said, there's also the statistic where rape and incest account for very few abortions, but are disproportionately the focus of the abortion debate.

If you don't mind me asking at what point do you think an abortion should no longer be offered to a woman?
I don't think the percentage of people who are victims should necessarily affect what the laws should be that apply to those victims.

I have no idea. I have never been in the situation before so I'm not sure I'm the best person to figure that out.

I will say, when I was in school I learned there were two types of abortion procedures. The later one is closer to an actual delivery. I would think if you have to deliver a baby anyway, at that point perhaps it should be a no-go.

It's hard for me to imagine wanting to do that myself, but I really don't know what kinds of crazy situations people feel like they're in at that point.

Also there are some tests on the baby that are not done until the 5th month I think, but I've never had that. I probably still wouldn't have an abortion even if there was a problem unless the doctor said I needed to. So I don't know. But I have really good health insurance through my job too, and I live in NY state which covers all kids too I think (but I never needed that so I don't know all the details).
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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By that age you should have a good indication as to whether or not they're going to be a real shithead. Much later just seems cruel and a waste of resources.
That's what I'm saying, so give them until they're 5. But then if they open a TikTok account then they're back to being eligible.
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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I don't think the percentage of people who are victims should necessarily affect what the laws should be that apply to those victims.
The thing is we write laws for the norm, and make amendments for the exceptions. Like in this instance, if Texas had enacted the 6 week abortion law, but let in an amendment for incest or rape, would that article read vastly different? I doubt it because when this has been brought in at other times with those exceptions it was met with the same reception. The "Not even incest and rape!" line strikes me as more of an attempt to score a point than it does an attempt at compromise.

I have no idea. I have never been in the situation before so I'm not sure I'm the best person to figure that out.

I will say, when I was in school I learned there were two types of abortion procedures. The later one is closer to an actual delivery. I would think if you have to deliver a baby anyway, at that point perhaps it should be a no-go.

It's hard for me to imagine wanting to do that myself, but I really don't know what kinds of crazy situations people feel like they're in at that point.

Also there are some tests on the baby that are not done until the 5th month I think, but I've never had that. I probably still wouldn't have an abortion even if there was a problem unless the doctor said I needed to. So I don't know. But I have really good health insurance through my job too, and I live in NY state which covers all kids too I think (but I never needed that so I don't know all the details).
That's completely fair, my personal experience with abortion has unfortunately been one of women using it as method of birth control, which I find repugnant. (See Leigh @Leigh I can use the "R" word too)
 

Thuglife13

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I don't think there should logically be exceptions for rape. Let me first make clear that I am 100% pro choice and I find abortion laws repugnant. However, if you are making these laws because you believe you are saving a baby's life, then someone getting raped is terrible but not enough to kill a baby over.
Years ago I met a woman doing some volunteering work and she was a legit born again Christian. Her daughter was raped and got pregnant and she told me that abortion was never even a thought. Her daughter had the baby and the baby was the light of their life. Now that's dedication and it reminds me of years ago when a POS guy shot and killed 5 Amish girls (6-13) in a Pennsylvania school and the religious and devout Amish forgave the killer and even attended his funeral along with his family...

There's levels to this shit...
 

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Richard Dawkins Lambasted For Saying Down Syndrome Babies Should Be Aborted … Again
  • Biologist and emeritus University of Oxford professor Richard Dawkins is again drawing fire for saying that Down syndrome babies should be aborted.
  • Dawkins sparked a backlash in 2014 when he advised someone on Twitter to “abort it and try again,” if that person had a child with Down syndrome, adding, “It would be immoral to bring it into the world if you have the choice.”
  • “It seems to me to be plausible that if a child has any kind of disability, then you probably would increase the amount of happiness in the world more by having another child instead,” Dawkins said in early May.

View: https://twitter.com/RichardDawkins/status/502106262088466432
 

Jesus X

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Richard Dawkins Lambasted For Saying Down Syndrome Babies Should Be Aborted … Again
  • Biologist and emeritus University of Oxford professor Richard Dawkins is again drawing fire for saying that Down syndrome babies should be aborted.
  • Dawkins sparked a backlash in 2014 when he advised someone on Twitter to “abort it and try again,” if that person had a child with Down syndrome, adding, “It would be immoral to bring it into the world if you have the choice.”
  • “It seems to me to be plausible that if a child has any kind of disability, then you probably would increase the amount of happiness in the world more by having another child instead,” Dawkins said in early May.

View: https://twitter.com/RichardDawkins/status/502106262088466432
i'm no rock scientist but I think a post partum abortion of the down syndrome folks might be a murder or a skosh murdery. this austrian guy with a Charlie chaplin mustache did those to the down syndrome community once.
 
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Heartbeat=abortion illegal
No exceptions made for rape or incest either.

To be clear this law is intended to be challenged by the writers. The intent of this law is to force the supreme Court to wade into the abortion issue with a hope to undo Roe v Wade. Ongoing efforts in multiple other states mirror this strategy.
I have no dog in the fight but it has always perplexed me why conservatives
are so anti abortion. The bible mentions killing babies and fetuses dozens
of times.

Whole anti abortion movement for religious reasons sounds silly
and entirely disingenious to me.
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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I have no dog in the fight but it has always perplexed me why conservatives
are so anti abortion. The bible mentions killing babies and fetuses dozens
of times.

Whole anti abortion movement for religious reasons sounds silly
and entirely disingenious to me.
Conservatism and religion aren't synonymous. The Bible also says all sorts of wacky stuff.