British brothers and sisters, y'all wearing poppies or nah?

[Leigh]

I won't leave the US because I haven't found another country that fits my beliefs better, so I moved within the country, because it's larger than most, and found a place I agree with more. No place is 100% perfect nor will it ever be.

You won't leave but Canadians should? Hypocritical.

Both are equally pieces of shit for killing children and innocents.

That's a direct contradiction to what you said. You said you judge Muslims more harshly for the SAME CRIME.

Maybe I'm not remembering correctly but can you show me where the Christian Bible states that if people don't convert then they should be killed?

There are multiple examples in the Bible of God not only condoning killing but outright ordering it. Eg Jeremiah 48:10 and cursing anyone who doesn't kill at Moab.

The New Testament covers the story of Jesus but they worship the god described the Old Testament. The OT is a part of the Christian faith and many Christians refer to it.

 

[ThatOneDude]

I agree, I have many times discussed with people of how awesome Canada is in this regard. Maybe not so much in the smaller rural towns, but Greater Toronto for example is perhaps the most multicultural place on Earth, and NOBODY GIVES A FUCK. You hear languages from all over the world, everyone is represented. You can find restaurants and churches of all different cultures, you go to the parks and families of all ethnicities are all enjoying side by side, its quite wonderful. No one cares, its like not even an issue. My kids are growing up almost blind to such differences, they grew up seeing it.

This is also the same comment I get from people who come to visit from other countries (my wife is Brasilian) - they are always impressed with it.

Its a very interesting question why this is so, when Europe for example seems to be so resisting of it/threatened by it, and the 'melting pot' concept in the US still seems to breed so much tension. What is different about Canada in this regard? I still have not really fond a conclusive answer.

Maybe because Canada is relatively so much younger; there is not as strong/deep of a culture to be 'threatened'. I don't know

I'm happy for it though, racial tensions must suck

That's just the culture of that area.
And this isn't about racial tensions, it's about specific religious that cross multiple races.

 

[ThatOneDude]

You won't leave but Canadians should? Hypocritical.


That's a direct contradiction to what you said. You said you judge Muslims more harshly for the SAME CRIME.


There are multiple examples in the Bible of God not only condoning killing but outright ordering it. Eg Jeremiah 48:10 and cursing anyone who doesn't kill at Moab.

The New Testament covers the story of Jesus but they worship the god described the Old Testament. The OT is a part of the Christian faith and many Christians refer to it.

How is it hypocritical, I said countless times I left Connecticut and that if the US no longer is the best match for my values I would leave. I never said I wouldn't leave ever.
No if I said I judge them more harshly for the same crime then again I'm not getting my thoughts out, anyone who commits crimes against children is a piece of shit. If we are talking strictly about cultural values, then yes I believe Muslims are worse.
The old testament crosses Judaism, Christianity and Islam.

 

[Leigh]

How is it hypocritical, I said countless times I left Connecticut and that if the US no longer is the best match for my values I would leave. I never said I wouldn't leave ever.

I don't know how much clearer I can be. You said Canadians should leave the country if they disagree with a single government statement. You disagree with some of your government's policies yet you won't move. You then create some strawman about you leaving Connecticut and how you would leave if there was a better country. That isn't what you suggested the Canadian born Chinese citizens do who disgreed with the government statement that immigrants should have an understanding of English. You said they should leave.

I am saying it is perfectly acceptable to voice disagreement with your government.

No if I said I judge them more harshly for the same crime then again I'm not getting my thoughts out

Ok. That is exactly what you said but I accept your retraction.

 

[ThatOneDude]

I don't know how much clearer I can be. You said Canadians should leave the country if they disagree with a single government statement. You disagree with some of your government's policies yet you won't move. You then create some strawman about you leaving Connecticut and how you would leave if there was a better country. That isn't what you suggested the Canadian born Chinese citizens do who disgreed with the government statement that immigrants should have an understanding of English. You said they should leave.

I am saying it is perfectly acceptable to voice disagreement with your government.


Ok. That is exactly what you said but I accept your retraction.

Ok, sorry if I'm not expressing my thoughts clearly on this. What I am trying to express in my head probably isn't coming out clearly for some reason.
As always I enjoy debating with you @Leigh even if we dont agree a lot of the times.

 

[Ted Williams' head]

I don't mind if a Chinese immigrant can't speak a word of English. We have tens of thousands of people in Quebec who don't speak a word of English. I don't think anyone - even immigrants - should be forced to learn a specific language. It's just going to make things more difficult for them.
A lot of the Chinese who can't speak much English live with family members who do, who can translate for them and help them communicate.

I've never heard of a Chinese group trying to pressure the government to make Mandarin or Cantonese an official language of Canada, and force companies to offer products in these languages. So more power to the Chinese.

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

I wan't trying to make it nationalistic, I was referring to the fact that 'lest we forget' is quite ironic considering that the same kind of horror is happening RIGHT NOW, likely with your tax dollars. What did they say; 'Never again'?? lol

If the message was lost and you saw it as nationalism I can see that though. Political art needs to be clear for sure

How do you make something very not political into political art? They're sold by a veterans organization who gets no government funding for the whopping fee of a donation of pocket change. Remembrance Day is about remembering those who gave their lives because they, rightly, or wrongly, were asked to by their country and paid the ultimate price. It has nothing to do with furthering military operations, it also isn't a statement that someone wearing them wants them to continue.

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

I don't mind if a Chinese immigrant can't speak a word of English. We have tens of thousands of people in Quebec who don't speak a word of English. I don't think anyone - even immigrants - should be forced to learn a specific language. It's just going to make things more difficult for them.
A lot of the Chinese who can't speak much English live with family members who do, who can translate for them and help them communicate.

I've never heard of a Chinese group trying to pressure the government to make Mandarin or Cantonese an official language of Canada, and force companies to offer products in these languages. So more power to the Chinese.

No offense, but I really wish you wouldn't blanket statement things as "Canadian" a lot of the problems are very marginal in other parts of this vast nation of ours.

 

[Ted Williams' head]

No offense, but I really wish you wouldn't blanket statement things as "Canadian" a lot of the problems are very marginal in other parts of this vast nation of ours.

What did I blanket as "Canadian" that you disagree with?

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

Here in Canada, I think there is a genuine resentment that builds from Muslims coming in and trying to change our established laws and customs.

That. There simply isn't very much truth to it.

 

[member 1013]

I don't mind if a Chinese immigrant can't speak a word of English. We have tens of thousands of people in Quebec who don't speak a word of English. I don't think anyone - even immigrants - should be forced to learn a specific language. It's just going to make things more difficult for them.

Do they speak French though?

And I disagree, as a first generation Canadian whose parents taught themselves English and French before moving here, I think it is very important immigrants speak one or both of our national languages. At least on a basic enough level to function with in that society. Refugees and Elderly dependents I will make exceptions for but if you want to emigrate here you should make the effort to speak one of our national languages.

 

[member 1013]

Also Hongcouver is lost to us, congratulations Leigh your people have won!

 

[Ted Williams' head]

if you want to emigrate here you should make the effort to speak one of our national languages.

I agree 100% that they should, but I just don't think we should be forcing people to. If I move to Quebec for work, I would certainly try to pick up French as I went along, but I wouldn't want the government forcing my hand and telling me I have to.

 

[member 1013]

I agree 100% that they should, but I just don't think we should be forcing people to. If I move to Quebec for work, I would certainly try to pick up French as I went along, but I wouldn't want the government forcing my hand and telling me I have to.

To what extent? Obviously if two Chinese people want to sit and have lunch while having a conversation in Mandarin that's fine. I'm talking about the fact that all of our government, judiciary, social, educational systems and large-scale business transpires in English and French by cultural history and government legislation.

You can get a translator in court but that's just so you don't get boned, legally.

 

[Leigh]

I'm watching it right now. I wouldn't say there is much potential to change my perspective on the US government.

This documentary is pretty damning though. I can't watch it all tonight. Once I've finished watching, I'll read rebuttals.

In summary, so far the following facts are pretty much indisputable:

* The US had numerous credible sources informing them that Al Quaeda were planning to hijack aircraft and fly them into US landmarks. Confirmed sources were UK's MI6, German intelligence and Putin.

* War games with the air force caused confusion. Despite the attacks occurring, the war games were not cancelled. This was officially put down as incompetence but those responsible were not disciplined and were in fact promoted.

* The timing of Dick Cheney entering the PEOC is fabricated in the official report.

* The alleged pilots were very poor and had no experience in commercial aircraft, yet they all performed highly skillful maneuvers.

None of this so far is proof of a false flag but it does show some kind of cover up.

Watching a bit more. Summary of today's viewing:
* Commercial airlines cannot physically get close to the speeds achieved by the planes that hit the WTC towers.

* The hole made in the Pentagon is claimed to not be compatible with a Boeing 757. I'm not convinced of this point.

* Video evidence provided by the Pentagon has been identified as doctored by a video analyst expert.

* The crash site in Shanksville was drastically inconsistent with other airplane crashsites and no evidence of the plane was visible. Despite claims that 95% of the plane has now been recovered, it has not been released for public viewing, also inconsistent with other airplane crashes.

* It wasn't possible to make the cell phone calls in flight that were received.

* A phone call made on the air phone, which is powered by the plane's electrical system, stayed connected for 45 minutes after the plane disinitegrated.

* Of 8 black boxes, only 2 were found and their identification numbers were not verifiable.

It is suggested that drones replaced the planes, a strategy outlined in Operation Northwoods.

My question: were any remains of the passengers found?

 

[MadFatChickKilla]

Watching a bit more. Summary of today's viewing:
* Commercial airlines cannot physically get close to the speeds achieved by the planes that hit the WTC towers.

* The hole made in the Pentagon is claimed to not be compatible with a Boeing 757. I'm not convinced of this point.

* Video evidence provided by the Pentagon has been identified as doctored by a video analyst expert.

* The crash site in Shanksville was drastically inconsistent with other airplane crashsites and no evidence of the plane was visible. Despite claims that 95% of the plane has now been recovered, it has not been released for public viewing, also inconsistent with other airplane crashes.

* It wasn't possible to make the cell phone calls in flight that were received.

* A phone call made on the air phone, which is powered by the plane's electrical system, stayed connected for 45 minutes after the plane disinitegrated.

* Of 8 black boxes, only 2 were found and their identification numbers were not verifiable.

It is suggested that drones replaced the planes, a strategy outlined in Operation Northwoods.

My question: were any remains of the passengers found?

Oh you are going deeep, fair play for having an open mind Leigh and going through it, great inconsistencies throughout the whole thing.

Shame for the families involved that some feel they will never have the answers then so desperately need to gain closure on this horrific event.

Peace

 

[member 1013]

Watching a bit more. Summary of today's viewing:
* Commercial airlines cannot physically get close to the speeds achieved by the planes that hit the WTC towers.

How fast were they going?

 

[Leigh]

How fast were they going?

Close to 600 mph at sea level.

 

[Ted Williams' head]

To what extent? Obviously if two Chinese people want to sit and have lunch while having a conversation in Mandarin that's fine. I'm talking about the fact that all of our government, judiciary, social, educational systems and large-scale business transpires in English and French by cultural history and government legislation.

You can get a translator in court but that's just so you don't get boned, legally.

I agree, I think it's incredibly stupid to not try to learn the language of the land, because in the end you're the one who loses out.

Obviously a child would be forced to learn English through the Canadian school system, but for someone above high school age I really don't feel they should be forced to. It seems strange to me.

 

[Ted Williams' head]

Watching a bit more. Summary of today's viewing:
* Commercial airlines cannot physically get close to the speeds achieved by the planes that hit the WTC towers.

* The hole made in the Pentagon is claimed to not be compatible with a Boeing 757. I'm not convinced of this point.

* Video evidence provided by the Pentagon has been identified as doctored by a video analyst expert.

* The crash site in Shanksville was drastically inconsistent with other airplane crashsites and no evidence of the plane was visible. Despite claims that 95% of the plane has now been recovered, it has not been released for public viewing, also inconsistent with other airplane crashes.

* It wasn't possible to make the cell phone calls in flight that were received.

* A phone call made on the air phone, which is powered by the plane's electrical system, stayed connected for 45 minutes after the plane disinitegrated.

* Of 8 black boxes, only 2 were found and their identification numbers were not verifiable.

It is suggested that drones replaced the planes, a strategy outlined in Operation Northwoods.

My question: were any remains of the passengers found?

So question for you: why do you accept these as facts? Have you researched the evidence that might explain or debunk these "facts"?

I've read a lot of material explaining that the cell phone calls could have been made from the flight.

 

[Leigh]

So question for you: why do you accept these as facts? Have you researched the evidence that might explain or debunk these "facts"?

I've read a lot of material explaining that the cell phone calls could have been made from the flight.

I don't accept those as facts. I said that is a summary of the viewing. I stated that I am not convinced that the hole in the Pentagon is inconsistent with a passenger plane.

I DO accept as fact some of the points in my earlier post. For example, I accept as fact that the US Government had prior warning to the attack. They admitted as much and a number of intelligent sources around the world confirmed that they had informed them.

 

[Hired Gun]

I feel the Pentagon was not hit by a plane

I feel the Air Force shot down the plane over Pennsylvania

I feel the building were brought down by the planes that hit them and not by the 10 million other theories.

The plane being shot down doesn't surprise me and I can't find fault in doing so. As far as the information that was being provided at the time it was believed and later confirmed that plane was hijacked and was heading to another target. I sympathize with the family of those who were on board that plane but I can't see any other option that would have worked. I would have hated to be the one to make that call to take it down.

 

[Hired Gun]

I don't accept those as facts. I said that is a summary of the viewing. I stated that I am not convinced that the hole in the Pentagon is inconsistent with a passenger plane.

I DO accept as fact some of the points in my earlier post. For example, I accept as fact that the US Government had prior warning to the attack. They admitted as much and a number of intelligent sources around the world confirmed that they had informed them.

I agree that parts of the US Gov, and others, had prior knowledge this was going to happen and let it to fuel their agenda. I do not think they had any more of an active role on how this played out.

 

[Leigh]

I agree that parts of the US Gov, and others, had prior knowledge this was going to happen and let it to fuel their agenda. I do not think they had any more of an active role on how this played out.

That's already pretty heinous though.

 

[Hired Gun]

That's already pretty heinous though.

Absolutely. Those people should be outed and thrown in prison forever