What if he's like a really big guy who you couldn't throw very far?
Would you trust him then?
British brothers and sisters, y'all wearing poppies or nah?
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Would you trust him then?
even less so then, I couldnt throw him very far
What's the Queen got to do with it? It's about remembering those who fell in service is it not?
I think it's insulting. Remembrance isn't synonymous with nationalism.I just invented a new kind of poppy. What do you think?
I would wear one of these no problem
I will say as an agnostic who thinks all organized religions are rather silly, the Islamic belief system I find particularly appalling. While I have no malice or hate in my heart for any Muslim person, I can't say that I like or respect a religion that has the views and treatment it does of women, homosexuals, apostates, ect. Equality, human rights... these things do not exist as we know them in Muslim-run countries.
And before anyone responds with the predictable "YEAH BUT CHRISTIANITY"... yeah, I'm not a fan of Christianity either.
I think it's fine to separate the people from the belief system. No problem with Muslims, not a fan of the religion.
I agree with Bill Maher when he says Islam is the "motherlode of bad ideas".
The Quran has some horrific stuff in there, no two ways about it, but I don't think it's any worse than the Torah/OT. Islam is a horrible ideology based in a horrible part of the world and some Muslims commit horrific acts of barbarism and terrorism.
But that can also be said about the Bible. Christians in Africa do appalling things. George Bush is a Christian and is responsible for many innocent deaths. Christians in the UK committed horrible terrorism.
I am not defending Islam; I consider it a disease. But it's not really any worse than the other Abrahamic religions (although I'd rather be mates with Jesus than Mohammad).
Not to mention all the kiddy fiddling.
Yeah, both religions are also terrible for that, too. It's the M.O. of organised religion - prey on those weaker
There are a lot of double standards with our treatment of Islam, though, because it's a religion (generally speaking) made up of non-white people. It's very easy to get branded a racist/bigot for speaking out against it, whereas the Catholic church has always been fair game.
Here in Canada, I think there is a genuine resentment that builds from Muslims coming in and trying to change our established laws and customs. We've had Muslim university students demand that women cannot work with them or in their groups, Muslims going into martial arts dojos and demanding that women train on the other side of the gym, demanding Islamic praying stations build into schools (which are supposed to be non-denominational to the point where you can't even put up a Christmas tree), demanding their faces be concealed in situations where you're not allowed to conceal your face, ect. People start viewing it as invasive, instead of just multiculturalism.
Here in Canada, I think there is a genuine resentment that builds from Muslims coming in and trying to change our established laws and customs. We've had Muslim university students demand that women cannot work with them or in their groups, Muslims going into martial arts dojos and demanding that women train on the other side of the gym, demanding Islamic praying stations build into schools (which are supposed to be non-denominational to the point where you can't even put up a Christmas tree), demanding their faces be concealed in situations where you're not allowed to conceal your face, ect. People start viewing it as invasive, instead of just multiculturalism.
I said all of this privately yesterday. Muslims are a protected class because people are afraid of offending them and/or being killed because of it. Look what they did in Texas because some people drew some mean pictures of a child fucker.
Are these foreign Muslim students or Canadian Muslim students?
Does it honestly matter?
Foreign Muslim students and recent Canadians.
Yes. His statement is, "Here in Canada, I think there is a genuine resentment that builds from Muslims coming in and trying to change our established laws and customs."
If they're born there, they aren't coming in, they're Canadian citizens who want change. Not a change I agree with but I get sick of the facebook posts about "They wouldn't let us go to their countries and change their laws," and "If they don't like it, they should go back to their own countries."
In my experience, the vocal Muslims are native citizens, not immigrants. I'm sure you can dig up some examples but it will be a tiny fraction of Muslim immigrants. Immigrants come to our countries because they like them, not because they want to change them.
Either way it's the same issue. In western civilization our governments shouldn't be held hostage by religious groups, I don't care what group it is. Freedom to practice your religion should be about as involved as governments get in religion. So Muslims or anyone for that matter who wants to bring their religious agenda into the legal system and government in general is wrong and a dangerous precedent, they can go back to the 3rd world countries who use religion to rule, has no place in modern society.
I really haven't seen that from Canadian-born or long term Canadian Muslims. Always foreign students and new Canadians.
"If they don't like it, they should go back to their own countries."
This view has become synonymous with the closed-minded, but I think at times there is something to that. Here in Canada (and in many other countries), we promote certain values of equality and tolerance. If your views make it impossible for you to exist within this system, I think it might be best for all parties that you choose another country to migrate to.
Additionally, I'm not partial to the culture
I agree. Let's just not try to rally nationalist support based on false fear mongering. These are British citizens trying to influence British culture, Canadian citizens trying to influence Canadian culture etc. Let's focus on the actual issue, so that we can address it properly; keep religion out of government and the legal system.
I think you're making straw man. Sure, if immigrants can't assimilate, they shouldn't come. But I don't think that's usually the case
Yea I agree. Except other religions don't say if you don't convert then you should be killed or you need to pay a tax.
How am I making a straw man? You just agreed with my statement.
canada has millions of chinese and east indians immigrants who do just fine .they intergrate part of their society and also have their own communities.there is no hostilities towards canadians and they even adopt our customs such as christmas and halloween even though they still worship at a temple.muslims have zero interest in assimilating
Your bigotry is showing
thanks for noticing
Have you read the Bible? God killed everyone on the planet for not doing what he said. I have had educated Christians tell me that these people deserved it.
Because most Muslim immigrants are fine and a majority of Muslim problems are from native citizens.
As a person with Chinese heritage who lived in Canada for two years and with a lot of Chinese family who immigrated to Canada, I disagree. There are a lot of Chinese people who are critical of the Canadian system and there are a lot of problems with East Indians. Chinese people were crying racism when it was simply suggested that those moving to Canada have an understanding of the English language. But in fairness, yet again, those are usually people born there and are a small percentage of their group. Just like with Muslims.