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Filthy

Iowa Wrestling Champion
Jun 28, 2016
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What does she use it for? Home defence? Hunting?

Or is it a toy?

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it's a firearm, you're a moron of the highest order if you think it's a "toy". Ask any of my kids about "tools" vs "toys". Since they were old enough to understand words and things. I own all the tools and toys in the house. Tools aren't for playing, Toys aren't for work.

she learns responsibility, delayed gratification, persistence, precision, mechanical function, hand-eye coordination...
she earned it by learning how to sew at the start of the pandemic and then sewing masks for all our neighbors (and refusing any payment or compensation)

She's 7, and I trust her more with a firearm than I do you.
 

John Lee Pettimore

Further south than you
May 18, 2021
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it's a firearm, you're a moron of the highest order if you think it's a "toy". Ask any of my kids about "tools" vs "toys". Since they were old enough to understand words and things. I own all the tools and toys in the house. Tools aren't for playing, Toys aren't for work.

she learns responsibility, delayed gratification, persistence, precision, mechanical function, hand-eye coordination...
she earned it by learning how to sew at the start of the pandemic and then sewing masks for all our neighbors (and refusing any payment or compensation)

She's 7, and I trust her more with a firearm than I do you.
Home defence, hunting/animal control, or is it a toy?

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John Lee Pettimore

Further south than you
May 18, 2021
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it's a tool.

for learning.

Hunting and Home Defense are for different levels of maturity and/or weapons.
Always treat every gun as if it's loaded, right? What part of gun safety includes "to store it safely and responsibly, just lean it against the wall anywhere out in the open"?

Couldn't you say that anything is "a tool for learning"? I mean, a lump of uranium is a tool for learning too - you're not going to give her that for her birthday, are you.

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Filthy

Iowa Wrestling Champion
Jun 28, 2016
27,500
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Always treat every gun as if it's loaded, right?

Couldn't you say that anything is "a tool for learning"? I mean, a lump of uranium is a tool for learning too - you're not going to give her that for her birthday, are you.

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a firearm is a tool she can use into adulthood, regardless of her profession.

if she wants to work with uranium there are specific skills for safe handling and storage.
there's a WW1 bayonet leaning in the corner behind it. Should I be worried they'll pick it up and start stabbing each other?

I can't gun-proof the world, so I gun-proof my kids.

EDIT- yes, treat every firearm as if it's loaded. Why?
 

John Lee Pettimore

Further south than you
May 18, 2021
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a firearm is a tool she can use into adulthood, regardless of her profession.

if she wants to work with uranium there are specific skills for safe handling and storage.
there's a WW1 bayonet leaning in the corner behind it. Should I be worried they'll pick it up and start stabbing each other?

I can't gun-proof the world, so I gun-proof my kids.
Soooooo.......... you can't articulate an actual reason for why she has it.

Home defence? No.

Hunting? No.

Animal control? No.

Mate, it's a toy. She wanted it because shooting targets is fun. And having it look less like a gun and more like a toy that appeals to children, is the appeal of that particular model.

EDIT- yes, treat every firearm as if it's loaded. Why?
You in the habit of leaving loaded rifles just leaning against random walls, ready to be knocked over by anyone walking past carrying a laundry basket, or stolen by any 15 year old shithead who breaks in on a Tuesday afternoon, looking for booze and ipads?

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Filthy

Iowa Wrestling Champion
Jun 28, 2016
27,500
29,658
Soooooo.......... you can't articulate an actual reason for why she has it.

Home defence? No.

Hunting? No.

Animal control? No.

Mate, it's a toy. She wanted it because shooting targets is fun. And having it look less like a gun and more like a toy that appeals to children, is the appeal of that particular model.



You in the habit of leaving loaded rifles just leaning against random walls?

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single-shot rifles with an open bolt? Yes, I am. what a stupid question, and pathetic attempt and a gotcha.
I listed off several reasons, you're just wallowing in your No True Scotsman fallacy.

It's a tool for self-defense, and she's learning how to use it.
 

Greenbean

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Nov 14, 2015
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Soooooo.......... you can't articulate an actual reason for why she has it.

Home defence? No.

Hunting? No.

Animal control? No.

Mate, it's a toy. She wanted it because shooting targets is fun. And having it look less like a gun and more like a toy that appeals to children, is the appeal of that particular model.



You in the habit of leaving loaded rifles just leaning against random walls, ready to be knocked over by anyone walking past carrying a laundry basket, or stolen by any 15 year old shithead who breaks in on a Tuesday afternoon, looking for booze and ipads?

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You are a hoot my man.
 

John Lee Pettimore

Further south than you
May 18, 2021
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single-shot rifles with an open bolt? Yes, I am. what a stupid question, and pathetic attempt and a gotcha.
I listed off several reasons, you're just wallowing in your No True Scotsman fallacy.

It's a tool for self-defense, and she's learning how to use it.
"I'm teaching her proper gun safety and responsible gun ownership - like how guns are more fun when they're pretty pastel colours, and how it's good practice to store them right out in the open by just leaning them against whatever wall is handy at the time, and it doesn't matter whether they're loaded or not."

Righto mate. ?

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Filthy

Iowa Wrestling Champion
Jun 28, 2016
27,500
29,658
"I'm teaching her proper gun safety and responsible gun ownership - like how guns are more fun when they're pretty pastel colours, and how it's good practice to store them right out in the open by just leaning them against whatever wall is handy at the time, and it doesn't matter whether they're loaded or not."

Righto mate. ?

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there's nothing unsafe about that firearm storage, as long as it's only my kids who walk by it. It's visibly not loaded or in a firing condition. It's pointed in a safe direction with nowhere 'unsafe that it can fall.

i don't teach my kids about civics and society when they're 18, I start when they're old enough to understand. I don't teach them about self-defense when they move out, I start when they're old enough to understand. I teach them how to swim when they're old enough to find water. I teach them about firearms and firearm safety when they're old enough to find firearms, which is when they're old enough to go outside the home.

I asked my daughter what color she wanted, she said blue. Teal was the closest color.

Again, my 7 yo knows more about the difference between tools and toys than you do. That's unconscionable.
 

John Lee Pettimore

Further south than you
May 18, 2021
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there's nothing unsafe about that firearm storage, as long as it's only my kids who walk by it. It's visibly not loaded or in a firing condition. It's pointed in a safe direction with nowhere 'unsafe that it can fall.

i don't teach my kids about civics and society when they're 18, I start when they're old enough to understand. I don't teach them about self-defense when they move out, I start when they're old enough to understand. I teach them how to swim when they're old enough to find water. I teach them about firearms and firearm safety when they're old enough to find firearms, which is when they're old enough to go outside the home.

I asked my daughter what color she wanted, she said blue. Teal was the closest color.

Again, my 7 yo knows more about the difference between tools and toys than you do. That's unconscionable.
Mate, you can't articulate a reason for her to have it that doesn't also apply to a lump of radioactive uranium, and the only way your storage could be less secure is if you loaded the rifle and left it on top of the mailbox outside.

Over here - with a comparatively high level of gun ownership for a developed nation - our gun homicide rate is somewhere around 4% of yours, per capita. You guys are SO extreme, you don't even realise how far gone you are. Over here, storing your gun like that gets it taken off you. Because you've shown that you are not a responsible gun owner. Responsible gun owners don't leave guns lying around unsecured and out in the open, end of. Sorry. That's a huge part of the reason why your streets are flooded with illegal guns carried by criminals, and the rest of the developed world's streets....... aren't.

Look if you like guns, whatever. Who cares. Guns ARE fun. I like to shoot rabbits and possums and targets too. But why can't you just admit that you use them for fun, and on a nationwide level, the guns are a massive problem that makes your society worse and not better? None of my friend's daughters have EVER done an active shooter drill at school. Why would they? ?

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John Lee Pettimore

Further south than you
May 18, 2021
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Well, I asked you what the reason she has it is - what purpose does it serve?

You said that it's a learning tool. Okay - well, you can make that claim for essentially anything.

Why does she have it? Because she wanted it, and worked to earn it. What was her mindset behind spending that money - what was the appeal of buying a gun?

I understand that these are not easy questions to answer honestly if you don't want to say "because guns are cool and fun."

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Hauler

Been fallin so long it's like gravitys gone
Feb 3, 2016
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Well, I asked you what the reason she has it is - what purpose does it serve?

You said that it's a learning tool. Okay - well, you can make that claim for essentially anything.

Why does she have it? Because she wanted it, and worked to earn it. What was her mindset behind spending that money - what was the appeal of buying a gun?

I understand that these are not easy questions to answer honestly if you don't want to say "because guns are cool and fun."

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What does any of that have to do with Uranium?