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Filthy

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Your argument is simpleminded and objectively incorrect, which is why you can't expand on it beyond the broadest of platitudes.
Chanting it over and over again does not make it true. Trump and Biden are nowhere close to the same. Trump did many things that Biden would never dream of doing. That is just reality.
John Lee Pettimore @John Lee Pettimore : <chants it over again like it's true>

you still struggle to demonstrate a way in which Trump was worse than Biden, and you're doing some irrespective of the fact that Biden has been in office 6 months. Give the man time.

You're more consistent and less hypocritical than most of the "both sides" guys, that is true.
that's still an ad hominem, albeit back-handed.



Well no, it was egregious enough that it passed into objective fact. Trump was - far and away - the most personally corrupt President in our lifetimes. That is not reasonably up for debate. It's just a fact, plain and simple. If Hunter Biden failed his West Wing security vettings due to foreign business entanglements, but Biden overrode that, gave him an office in the West Wing anyway, and then put him in charge of the American corona response AND the Middle East peace process - then that would be the start of a direct equivalent. Trying to claim that Biden is as corrupt as Trump is the equivalent of trying to claim that Hillary is taller than Trump or that Bernie is younger than Trump. It's just plain not reality. You have to wilfully reject objective reality to claim it.
you're confusing someone who was brought up not caring what the plebes think with someone who was. FWIW - Bill Clinton was "far and away" the most personally corrupt president in our lifetimes. When you sell ICBM technology to the Chinese, you're Evil. Don't get me started on Bill Clinton and crack cocaine. They're only different in how up front they are with their self-interest serving decisions. Trump was born in to the elite privilege, he understands that no matter how much he fucks the common man he'll still be part of The Club. It's that simple. But let's be honest, what's more corrupt - putting your SIL in charge of a back-channel communication for graft, or packing the SCOTUS to give you carte' blanche to consolidate power? And we're talking about relative difference - both are/were going to tear up Sec 270, that's a kind of corruption that REALLY matters. So relative to the objective standard of how they advance the cause of the voter over their own interest, their corruption is same-same.


There is no such thing as "the interests of the voters". My interests have minimal overlap with Jeff Bezos' interests or the My Pillow guy's interests, or the interests of the seditionist cunts who stormed the Capitol trying to destroy American democracy and install an autocrat dictator.
"the interests of the voters" knowable and expressed through a representative system where each vote counts equally. But Jeff Bezos is getting $10B contracts to run the DoD computers, so his vote counts a lot more than mine. And both Trump and Biden will back-bend to blow Bezos. I'll reiterate again that nothing was going to happen at the Capital, it was an much an assault on democracy as egging an M1A1 Abrams. What will destroy democracy is creating 2nd class citizens, elevating the police and state actors, lowering bureaucratic accountability, etc. Both guys do that equally hard, because their interests are aligned with the wealthy/political class - not with the voter.

Your complaint seems to be "the people who spend their entire lives positioning themselves to lead the world's preeminent superpower, seem to mostly be concerned with expanding and maintaining their own personal power."

Yeah no shit. What reality could it be any other way? That doesn't mean that every one of them are the same, and that there's no difference regardless of who's in office.
My complaint is that the system is self-sustaining, and people who pretend that there's a meaningful difference (relative to the interests of the voter) are the root of the issue. They are the true "useful idiots" who parade around like their accomplishing something by switching the face on the old corrupt white guy who rambles incoherently into a microphone to sycophantic applause.

Thought experiment - clones of both MLK Jr and Adolf Hitler enter modern American politics. Is there absolutely no difference at all - nothing - and no different outcome for America between President MLK Jr and President Hitler? Between President Bernie Sanders, and President Rand Paul? Everything remains identical, and everything plays out exactly the same under all 4 of these men? C'mon man - that's a ridiculous position to take and cling on to.
that's not a thought experiment, neither is electable in modern politics. Neither would be a R or D, and neither would have a chance of being on the debate stage past the 2nd debate.

so yeah, not much changes.
 
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John Lee Pettimore

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John Lee Pettimore @John Lee Pettimore : <chants it over again like it's true>

you still struggle to demonstrate a way in which Trump was worse than Biden, and you're doing some irrespective of the fact that Biden has been in office 6 months. Give the man time.



that's still an ad hominem, albeit back-handed.





you're confusing someone who was brought up not caring what the plebes think with someone who was. FWIW - Bill Clinton was "far and away" the most personally corrupt president in our lifetimes. When you sell ICBM technology to the Chinese, you're Evil. Don't get me started on Bill Clinton and crack cocaine. They're only different in how up front they are with their self-interest serving decisions. Trump was born in to the elite privilege, he understands that no matter how much he fucks the common man he'll still be part of The Club. It's that simple. But let's be honest, what's more corrupt - putting your SIL in charge of a back-channel communication for graft, or packing the SCOTUS to give you carte' blanche to consolidate power? And we're talking about relative difference - both are/were going to tear up Sec 270, that's a kind of corruption that REALLY matters. So relative to the objective standard of how they advance the cause of the voter over their own interest, their corruption is same-same.




"the interests of the voters" knowable and expressed through a representative system where each vote counts equally. But Jeff Bezos is getting $10B contracts to run the DoD computers, so his vote counts a lot more than mine. And both Trump and Biden will back-band to blow Bezos. I'll reiterate again that nothing was going to happen at the Capital, it was an much an assault on democracy as egging an M1A1 Abrams. What will destroy democracy is creating 2nd class citizens, elevating the police and state actors, lowering bureaucratic accountability, etc. Both guys do that equally hard, because their interests are aligned with the wealthy/political class - not with the voter.



My complaint is that the system is self-sustaining, and people who pretend that there's a meaningful difference (relative to the interests of the voter) are the root of the issue. They are the true "useful idiots" who parade around like their accomplishing something by switching the face on the old corrupt white guy who rambles incoherently into a microphone to sycophantic applause.



that's not a thought experiment, neither is electable in modern politics. Neither would be a R or D, and neither would have a chance of being on the debate stage past the 2nd debate.

so yeah, not much changes.


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John Lee Pettimore

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i'm not a player. i just crush a lot.

I'm actually going to reply to your post and address what you said, because this is a discussion board and trading stupid gifs instead of having a discussion is bullshit. There's no good reason at all why we can't actually address what the other said, is there.

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Filthy

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I'm actually going to reply to your post and address what you said, because this is a discussion board and trading stupid gifs instead of having a discussion is bullshit. There's no good reason at all why we can't actually address what the other said, is there.

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relax - there's always time to trade stupid gifs AND have a thoughtful discussion.

 
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This feels like one of those times that it's really easy to say that from home. But the political reality is difficult. President isn't king. And even if the president wants something a global issue like climate change requires a lot of input that is often compromised (see the Paris Accord which Biden rejoined).
 

kaladin stormblessed

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This feels like one of those times that it's really easy to say that from home. But the political reality is difficult. President isn't king. And even if the president wants something a global issue like climate change requires a lot of input that is often compromised (see the Paris Accord which Biden rejoined).
according to "opensecrets.org," joe biden recieved the second most money from "oil and gas" during the 2019/2020 cycle

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John Lee Pettimore

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This feels like one of those times that it's really easy to say that from home. But the political reality is difficult. President isn't king. And even if the president wants something a global issue like climate change requires a lot of input that is often compromised (see the Paris Accord which Biden rejoined).
It's ridiculous, isn't it. Does EVERY SINGLE stupid meme have to be full of lies? Not like there's nothing to criticise Biden and the Dems for that's actually reality-based, is it. But every time, they go for the stupid lies.

1) Biden isn't the most powerful man in the world, Xi is an autocrat and has FAR more power over the CCP than Biden does over the Dems, let alone the American government as a whole.

2) Biden is trying to take action, but since he's not an autocrat, he has to play ball with others. And half of the American government is deadset on giving him nothing and, more than that, actively shutting down everything he tries to do.

3) Biden is not the King of the World. He rejoined the Paris Accord - the biggest agreement to tackle climate change as a species - as one of his first acts in office. Why did he have to REjoin? Well, because the bunch of cunts who were there before him pulled the US out of it, because lol, fuck Obama and climate change is a Chinese hoax anyway.

But yeah - Biden's the problem when it comes to the Americans taking action on climate change. Always with the fucking lies. The fucking lies, man. It's so infuriating.

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kaladin stormblessed

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So with a divided Congress, international interests, economic concerns,etc

What exactly should Biden be doing that he's not doing?
he should start by giving back his donations to the oil industry and calling on all his fellow democrats to do the same

and he should pressure senate to remove the filibuster

thats if he wanted to make change. granted, he already told his donors and america that "nothing will findamentally change"
 

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So with a divided Congress, international interests, economic concerns,etc

What exactly should Biden be doing that he's not doing?
How about championing the green new deal? Using executive orders to curtail oil and gas production. Creating meaningful international treaties that have real pledges. There are any number of things he could be doing, but he's making vague twitter posts instead.
 

kaladin stormblessed

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How about championing the green new deal? Using executive orders to curtail oil and gas production. Creating meaningful international treaties that have real pledges. There are any number of things he could be doing, but he's making vague twitter posts instead.
the best part about nina turner getting into congress wouldve been her calling out her colleagues for their corporate bribes. no one else does that

but most americans, like my mother, have no idea that someone like clinton or obama or biden are corrupt. bc my mom and many like her are ignorant since theyve spent their lives grinding. theres no chance she knows what "citizens united" is

imagine a president who called that out?!?

but biden cant call it out. because he and all his corporate left wing and corporate right wing friends all take bribes
 
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It's ridiculous, isn't it. Does EVERY SINGLE stupid meme have to be full of lies? Not like there's nothing to criticise Biden and the Dems for that's actually reality-based, is it. But every time, they go for the stupid lies.

1) Biden isn't the most powerful man in the world, Xi is an autocrat and has FAR more power over the CCP than Biden does over the Dems, let alone the American government as a whole.

2) Biden is trying to take action, but since he's not an autocrat, he has to play ball with others. And half of the American government is deadset on giving him nothing and, more than that, actively shutting down everything he tries to do.

3) Biden is not the King of the World. He rejoined the Paris Accord - the biggest agreement to tackle climate change as a species - as one of his first acts in office. Why did he have to REjoin? Well, because the bunch of cunts who were there before him pulled the US out of it, because lol, fuck Obama and climate change is a Chinese hoax anyway.

But yeah - Biden's the problem when it comes to the Americans taking action on climate change. Always with the fucking lies. The fucking lies, man. It's so infuriating.

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Zeph @Zeph u gonna take that?!?