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I've posted multiple. I've also replied to several of yours stating "I agree".
The data guides.

You've posted a lot of anecdotes and then get mad at me when I post the data behind the claims.

You have turned off notifications so you miss a lot.


Further you are completely out of the conversation in that I was backing MMAHAWK @MMAHAWK against the attack of @John Lee Pettimore framing of the conversation.
Who pinked the manic kiwi?
 

Filthy

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Testing for Antibodies should be a topic and factor in all these mandates, passports, and vaccinations.

Otherwise you are just telling somebody what to do with their body without knowing anything about their body.

That being left out of any equation or discussion is rather telling IMO.
but right now, we have no idea how much protection a given antibody level provides.
 

Miesha's Taint

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And so will I. It's just that when you post stupid conspiracy garbage that is targeted at ignorant simpletons, I'll call you an ignorant simpleton. Sorry.

Hey, I link plenty of stuff here myself. When you catch me posting garbage lies, pull me up on it. If I'm unable to defend my stance because it's all based more or less entirely on stupid lies, then call me a moron all you want. Deal?

??
Well well well
 
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but right now, we have no idea how much protection a given antibody level provides.

I'm not a real fan of vaccine passports. Even less so given the question about transmissibility with the delta variant.

With that said, I think titers should conceivably provided at least 6 months of said vaccine passport if this is important. I get that. Those pushing this owe those people science an acceptable titer quantities going forward.

I really think its unfair to discount the recovered if the science is incomplete.
We have data that shows some period of acceptable risk and unlikelihood of being reinfected following a recovery. We could at least start with that and kick this can down the road to be fair for those people.
 

sparkuri

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I've posted multiple. I've also replied to several of yours stating "I agree".
The data guides.
I'm asking specifically regarding the data guides. VAERS and Eudraviligence are data guides. For whatever they aren't, it's still data to be disseminated.
Not having that time I understand.
But when the government controls the information flow, I don't know what data you accept.

You've posted a lot of anecdotes and then get mad at me when I post the data behind the claims.
No, and no. I've posted far more experiences than anything, that's evidentiary in a court of law, not anecdotal. Anything anecdotal was minimal, with many of your rebuttals directly to them, perhaps the easier of all targets.
I don't get "mad" at data, I welcome it.



You have not responded regarding Marik, McCullough, Kory, Yeadon, and several others.
You have not responded regarding hearing testimony regarding animal trials being halted.

If you have, as you say, my notifications are off, so, did you?

Further you are completely out of the conversation in that I was backing MMAHAWK @MMAHAWK against the attack of @John Lee Pettimore framing of the conversation.
That's fair.
I have blocked Pettimore & the others that have eroded the community.
 
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I'm asking specifically regarding the data guides. VAERS and Eudraviligence are data guides. For whatever they aren't, it's still data to be disseminated.
It's a first line pass of unsubstantiated data That requires verification.

My issue is that I am willing to simply look at an increase in reports in this climate and consider that It could be an increase in legitimate reports do the pandemic and vaccination increases, Or could be an increase in misinformation as we've seen in all of social media.

Your conclusion from the data that it's absolutely truth until proven otherwise. That's not how this works


This is simply a microcosm of much of the rest of your disagreements with me.

You post a study of 25 people getting ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine. I simply caution that this is not peer reviewed or duplicated.
The case of both my highlight the difficulty and duplicating it and opposite trials showing no effect on even little effect.

I don't mind if you're argument is 'It's safe and it's worth a shot even if the date is not that strong yet'.

But that's not what keeps happening. You post about ivermectin and state that it's all we need and is essentially the cure to this. That's a complete overstatement and not at all what is supported by any of the conflicting data.


You have not responded regarding Marik, McCullough, Kory, Yeadon, and several others.
Sure I have. Even in your ivermectin thread I specifically address the weaknesses of the FLCCC and the consideration of the approach.
Multiple threads I've mentioned for a year, When you were still pushing hcq that ivermectin might be a better choice.
Again even recently I'm supported further investigation and even empiric usage where the risk of harm is minimal.
Shinkicker @Shinkicker I posted them ivermectin made analysis that is better put together than any of the guys in your videos doing things like claiming the opposite of what I study actually said.

Why do I keep countering your "this is the absolute cure!" Because you're setting people up for false hope and inaccurate decision making. And I see it every single day in patient families when the ivermectin doesn't prevent their loved one from going in the hospital or being invented.

If we don't know something, it isn't true by default. There's low moderate and high evidence of something being true. And when we don't know we attempt to reference how confident we are in the future results.

Claiming absolute I'll come with multiple conflicting data is fool hardy that a personal level and cruel when transmitted on the social media.
 

Filthy

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Children are much higher risk of death from flu than covid.
right, but "kids" implies that there is adult interaction all day every day. Those adults are also assuming the risk, and when you're talking about high-density/low-income areas you're talking about a lot of kids who are being raised by their 50-70 grandparent.
 

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I've posted multiple. I've also replied to several of yours stating "I agree".
The data guides.

You've posted a lot of anecdotes and then get mad at me when I post the data behind the claims.

You have turned off notifications so you miss a lot.


Further you are completely out of the conversation in that I was backing MMAHAWK @MMAHAWK against the attack of @John Lee Pettimore framing of the conversation.
i see you flexin. creepin on peoples' "notification status" lol

 

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right, but "kids" implies that there is adult interaction all day every day. Those adults are also assuming the risk, and when you're talking about high-density/low-income areas you're talking about a lot of kids who are being raised by their 50-70 grandparent.
That argument doesn't hold water with the vaccines being available to those other groups you reference.
 
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I'm not a real fan of vaccine passports. Even less so given the question about transmissibility with the delta variant.

With that said, I think titers should conceivably provided at least 6 months of said vaccine passport if this is important. I get that. Those pushing this owe those people science an acceptable titer quantities going forward.

I really think its unfair to discount the recovered if the science is incomplete.
We have data that shows some period of acceptable risk and unlikelihood of being reinfected following a recovery. We could at least start with that and kick this can down the road to be fair for those people.
Most of what I read has had recovered people still showing antibodies 10+months after infection.
 

sparkuri

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Or could be an increase in misinformation as we've seen in all of social media.
Well, who controls the media, and the world?
Your hospital protocols?
Are they lockstep with investor sentiment?
Are vaccines being censored?



Your conclusion from the data that it's absolutely truth until proven otherwise. That's not how this works
No, it is most assuredly not.
My conclusion is that since hospitals aren't required to report to either agency between the EU & U.S., and it's voluntary & counterproductive to hospital grants and overloaded staff, that as for the last 30 years of commonly held belief among the community, they are VASTLY underreported.
Pre-pandemic it has always been "1%'ish".
During you can extrapolate using history and interpolate using factors such as "misinformation" to come up with a number likely exponentially higher than that which is reported.
You can also look at the history of pandemics, the actual reports themselves(which I've done for thousands), look at videos of adverse reactions, testimonials regarding death misrepresentation en masse, go fund me testimonials, censorship of words & people, and a myriad of other non-specific but clearly interwoven factors from across the earth.


You post a study of 25 people getting ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine. I simply caution that this is not peer reviewed or duplicated.
The case of both my highlight the difficulty and duplicating it and opposite trials showing no effect on even little effect.
I'm not sure how yo get studies of "25".
I've never even heard of a "study of 25".
25 million maybe.
The videos I have posted for you, with links in the videos and descriptions for these studies, have been numerous.
Were talking dozens of videos with dozens of studies in the hundreds of thousands and millions, from India, Singapore, Japan, Taiwan, Belize, Nicaruagua, Portugal, Denmark, Sweden, a dozen states in Mexico, Panama, Uruguay, Belarus, Tanzania, Nambia, Argentina, Uganda, South Africa, Haiti, Switzerland, Czech Republic, right here in the USA and several others.
To hear you say this now pretty much means our conversations are over.
This is exactly why I made different threads. There is too much contained in a single thread to disect trolls, opinions, datasets, videos, and 30 different subtopics in a world event scenario.
It's impossible.
It took more effort to merge those threads than leave them be, and it's tragically counterproductive.
Essentially, this thread has been useless on its own for over half a year.



I don't mind if you're argument is 'It's safe and it's worth a shot even if the date is not that strong yet'.
That was my stance well over a year ago.
We're in the "ostrich head in the ground" phase. The data has been in, a long, long time.


But that's not what keeps happening. You post about ivermectin and state that it's all we need and is essentially the cure to this. That's a complete overstatement and not at all what is supported by any of the conflicting data.
No.
No.
You say that's what I say, because it's easy.
So once and for all:
THERE ARE MANY TREATMENTS PURPOSELY NOT GIVEN TO OVERWHELM THE SYSTEM, SO THE MOST AT-RISK DON'T GET DUE ATTENTION.
The GOAL, if you STILL can't get this through your head, is to INJECT and SUBJUGATE ALL OF MANKIND, TOTALLY.
You need a vacation and maybe a couple seminars.
I'd take a cruise to the middle of the ocean for a month, think about the way things were, get cell service a week before you come back, read this entire thread, then moor in San Francisco Bay.
I'll bet you have that money.
Tell them it's a psychological LOA, and I'll take over here with IschKabibble @IschKabibble & MMAHAWK @MMAHAWK .


Claiming absolute I'll come with multiple conflicting data is fool hardy that a personal level and cruel when transmitted on the social media.
It's a good thing I haven't done that then isn't it?
Again, Fauci>Remdesivir>emergency use approved over a year ago>3% effective for an average 2 day less hospital stay with no control group, statistically zero, but hundreds of millions of dollars.
Other measures worldwide censored, twitter banned, YT banned, Instagram banned, Facebook banned, and millions of accounts banned.

Vaccines= no accounts banned.

Whatever goggles you're wearing, I need them for insomnia.
 

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Most of what I read has had recovered people still showing antibodies 10+months after infection.
That would make sense.
It is how herd immunity has worked throughout human history.

Downplaying naturally gained immunity from this coronavirus or previous coronaviruses while selling a vaccine that apparently has obviously waning antibodies and likely will need boosters seems like a bad way to go about it.
 
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Most of what I read has had recovered people still showing antibodies 10+months after infection.

Nearly everybody agrees 6 months. Some have said even 12.
I was mostly hedging my bet for a timeline that would be confidently accepted When considering policymaking based off of known science.

In another 6 months we would have more data and also be well over a year since the pandemic began in the US.
Between that timeline as well as focused studies on titer protection, you could probably then move to yearly titers and so forth.

And at this rate I don't see how this thing is still going in 2 years. You'd be looking at two titers for the recovered. And then at this point you're looking at background noise and the shared decision making because of healthcare resources goes out the window and it's now back to everyone's personal risk tolerance.



And I'd like to once again emphasize my lack of support for vaccine passports in the first place.