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Sorry to hear, why would your folks retest after a negative test?

Was it early to test or maybe they've developed symptoms?
No symptoms yet but they were both around my brother's wife on Monday. Brother started having symptoms on Tuesday so was likely contagious Monday and so was his wife if she was positive at the time. His wife hasn't tested yet because she doesn't have symptoms. She's also double vaxxed though.

Mom and stepdad are going to re-test because they might have it and it's just not active enough yet. Also the at-home tests are only 71% accurate for the asymptomatic.
 
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@Splinty do you know of any research studies on the prevalence of covid in vaccinated men with real beards?

It may not make sense scientifically but I have a feeling there have been zero cases.

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Freeloading Rusty

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Trump pushes back on Candace Owens: 'People aren't dying when they take the vaccine'
“Yet more people have died under COVID this year,” Owens told Trump. “By the way, under Joe Biden, than under you and more people took the vaccine this year. So people are questioning how—”

“Oh no, the vaccines work, but some people aren’t the ones. The ones who get very sick and go to the hospital are the ones that don’t take the vaccine. But it’s still their choice. And if you take the vaccine, you’re protected,” Trump told Owens.
 

Rambo John J

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It isn't the vaccinated protesting hospitals and harassing patients trying to go in for chemo.
Haven't seen that myself, have you? Sounds like a news story more than a frequent occurrence.

I was more referring to vaccination status dividing families and workplaces, and the venom usually comes from the "vaxxed".
 

Freeloading Rusty

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Haven't seen that myself, have you? Sounds like a news story more than a frequent occurrence.

I was more referring to vaccination status dividing families and workplaces, and the venom usually comes from the "vaxxed".
Yet we have seen so much violence from Anti-Va.
 

sparkuri

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Bedford's 3rd explanation bothers me particularly.

Suggesting virus dormancy in the "immunocompromised" is ridiculous for several reasons, not least of which is that isolation & replication still haven't been achieved as Koch's postulates outline. You'd think having a global pandemic that changes the scope of the planet we'd have that sorted out by now. @Splinty , we're 2 years in, has that been satisfied to your knowledge?
Every court case I've seen has wins for everyone proving otherwise.

"Viruses" in the first place do not satisfy me, as explained in papers worldwide over the last century there seems to be no true consensus in the science, it looks more like accepted theory. Viruses seem to be to the body exosomic and borne internally as responses to something that can be just about anything from bacteria to parasite & anything in between. A fair parallel in comparison would be white blood cells > red blood cells as far as function or manifestation, virus > exosome. This might be why that little round corona with spike proteins looks identical to exosomes.
But further, suggesting an immunodeficiency syndrome as underlying rather than anything basic, bacterial, fungal or just plain unknown is absolutely an unscientific stretch even with relative archaic understanding. In 1973 IDS's weren't even on the scientific radar, yet 6 men of 12 broke out with colds after 17 weeks of isolation in Antarctica.

I no longer see Trevor Bedford as anything more than an agenda darling with credentials. Iirc his first propagated tweet had more to do with fear than science. That was pointing out genomic sequence differences from a 35+-cycle PCR test over a 6-week span in patients from Everett (patient 1 U.S.) to Jackson H.S. student Bothell/Mill Creek(patient 2 WA.) highlighting virulence/Rnaught to the naive(including myself) rather than the clearly obvious implication of low mortality rate.

There is no way on earth at this point we know anything more about origination or even MECHANISM of "COVID-19" than we did 2 years ago. We know people get sick from it & we know how to treat it. Sunshine, activity & healthy lifestyle, the exact opposite of the 1st world mandated response.
No one in Antarctica had an underlying mysterious dormant syndrome, there easily could've been a parasite, bacterial or fungal issue sitting in the clay of his bowels like DNA in the bone marrow of a petrified stegosaurus.
Accepted scientific concensus regarding illness is to me a muddied as it ever was.
The black plague is still as much a mystery as AIDS to the world at large.

When it comes to figuring this out I feel we're all rats in a cage being lied to, particularly when the basics haven't been established, yet we as a society have moved on to steps 2-2000.
It's like debating black holes.
In 20 years it'll all be turned on its head & vitamin sunshine & salads will still be good.
 
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Bedford's 3rd explanation bothers me particularly.

Suggesting virus dormancy in the "immunocompromised" is ridiculous for several reasons, not least of which is that isolation & replication still haven't been achieved as Koch's postulates outline. You'd think having a global pandemic that changes the scope of the planet we'd have that sorted out by now. @Splinty , we're 2 years in, has that been satisfied to your knowledge?
Every court case I've seen has wins for everyone proving otherwise.

"Viruses" in the first place do not satisfy me, as explained in papers worldwide over the last century there seems to be no true consensus in the science, it looks more like accepted theory. Viruses seem to be to the body exosomic and borne internally as responses to something that can be just about anything from bacteria to parasite & anything in between. A fair parallel in comparison would be white blood cells > red blood cells as far as function or manifestation, virus > exosome. This might be why that little round corona with spike proteins looks identical to exosomes.
But further, suggesting an immunodeficiency syndrome as underlying rather than anything basic, bacterial, fungal or just plain unknown is absolutely an unscientific stretch even with relative archaic understanding. In 1973 IDS's weren't even on the scientific radar, yet 6 men of 12 broke out with colds after 17 weeks of isolation in Antarctica.

I no longer see Trevor Bedford as anything more than an agenda darling with credentials. Iirc his first propagated tweet had more to do with fear than science. That was pointing out genomic sequence differences from a 35+-cycle PCR test over a 6-week span in patients from Everett (patient 1 U.S.) to Jackson H.S. student Bothell/Mill Creek(patient 2 WA.) highlighting virulence/Rnaught to the naive(including myself) rather than the clearly obvious implication of low mortality rate.

There is no way on earth at this point we know anything more about origination or even MECHANISM of "COVID-19" than we did 2 years ago. We know people get sick from it & we know how to treat it. Sunshine, activity & healthy lifestyle, the exact opposite of the 1st world mandated response.
No one in Antarctica had an underlying mysterious dormant syndrome, there easily could've been a parasite, bacterial or fungal issue sitting in the clay of his bowels like DNA in the bone marrow of a petrified stegosaurus.
Accepted scientific concensus regarding illness is to me a muddied as it ever was.
The black plague is still as much a mystery as AIDS to the world at large.

When it comes to figuring this out I feel we're all rats in a cage being lied to, particularly when the basics haven't been established, yet we as a society have moved on to steps 2-2000.
It's like debating black holes.
In 20 years it'll all be turned on its head & vitamin sunshine & salads will still be good.
So many words. Absolutely zero substance.

SAD!
 
M

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@Cody I was only joking. I'm not really going to choke you unconscious in a parking lot.

You can start posting again.
 

Rambo John J

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My friends wife was a victim of it and I have a family member who was harassed while she was going in for chemo treatments. The fringe of the anti-vax movement are trash people.
I think you mean anti forced/mandated Covid Vax people, anti-vax is a inaccurate label in many cases unless they were behaving this way pre covid.

As for that type of behavior...
That is not cool, misguided and uncalled for.
I guess some people are just assholes. On both extremes IMO. Leave all individuals alone unless they have directly come at you IRL. Direct your frustrations at the officials putting the policies in place, not the individuals.

I still 100% support those protesting Mandates, and Govt overreach.


Some really ugly behavior is occurring from the extremes of both sides. It isn't just a one way situation.
 

RaginCajun

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I think more hate is being spewed from the "vaccinated" side, fear based hate sadly

Leo should also have a sad face on, and no drink to toast with

The divide is a real bummer IMO
I don't think the vaccinated are spewing more hate. Seems like both sides are doing there fair share of fear based talk though.
The sad reality is that both sides may end up being partially correct where the vaccine isn't nearly as effective as we were told but it may still end up saving hundreds of thousands of lives but. It's looking like either way this thing will end up being endemic. The real villains aren't the vaccinated vs unvaccinated but the people who most likely made this virus in a government funded lab.
We are living in some 12 monkey like shit right now.

 

RaginCajun

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@Splinty do you know of any research studies on the prevalence of covid in vaccinated men with real beards?

It may not make sense scientifically but I have a feeling there have been zero cases.

My hospital has made a policy starting Monday that all patient care must be given while wearing a n95 mask no matter the patients risk status instead of surgical masks.
With that comes a new rule of zero facial hair allowed.
 

Rambo John J

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I don't think the vaccinated are spewing more hate. Seems like both sides are doing there fair share of fear based talk though.
The sad reality is that both sides may end up being partially correct where the vaccine isn't nearly as effective as we were told but it may still end up saving hundreds of thousands of lives but. It's looking like either way this thing will end up being endemic. The real villains aren't the vaccinated vs unvaccinated but the people who most likely made this virus in a government funded lab.
We are living in some 12 monkey like shit right now.

I guess it is impossible to measure and every location has different dynamics.
The entire issue is divide and conquer IMO, but what is new.

Personally I have heard some really bizarre stances and claims from V people about un V people, I have heard these in person and they assume I am vaccinated(because I am a smart and good person). I haven't seen un V harassing V people but I don't doubt it is going on.
It is all really ugly.

The science? Well I doubt we will ever get the straight dope on that. Metrics are constantly changing and "how to lie with statistics" is a helluva thing(and book). Control group is shrinking by the day.

Blame, anger, and frustration is 100% misplaced...I agree.
Those who work with, and "monkey" with these viruses in labs, to use as weapons and at the same time are providing the "cures" need to be held accountable...They will not sadly.

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