General Russia Ukraine round 2 Price hike boogaloo

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Sheepdog

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Dead civilians from the explosion and I can only imagine what kind of injuries from shrapnel from the concussive blast (there are basically no windows left). I would say it missed by a few metres.

it’s just to torment the populace
This could still be accidental collateral. Ruskie missiles not so good apparently.

We could see a lot worse.
 

Hwoarang

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I think anyone wanting minimal civilian casualties should be going for Russia, and hoping they win quick.
Fuck all these other nations sending in money, weapons, ammo and soldiers to fight a proxy war against Russia in Ukraine that is only going to massively draw out the duration of the war and prolong their suffering.
 

Qat

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I think anyone wanting minimal civilian casualties should be going for immediate peace.
Fuck Putin sending in invasion forces.
 
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Qat

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Has Ukraine lost air support? Outside of these forum walls I'm not much of a military expert, but this looks like easy-pickins to me.
AFAIK they are already going after it, making small dents. But it's not like they have 1000 pilots and jets just ready to go.
 

Hauler

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AFAIK they are already going after it, making small dents. But it's not like they have 1000 pilots and jets just ready to go.
2 should work. Maverick and Iceman would waste that entire brigade in 2 passes. ?
 

Sheepdog

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I think anyone wanting minimal civilian casualties should be going for Russia, and hoping they win quick.
Fuck all these other nations sending in money, weapons, ammo and soldiers to fight a proxy war against Russia in Ukraine that is only going to massively draw out the duration of the war and prolong their suffering.
Ultimate blame for deaths lies on Russia, but Ukraine is using its own civilians as human shields both for military and propaganda purposes. Its leaders want its civilian body count to rise more and more to draw more and more international support.


There are no goodies and baddies in this game, children. There is only a high stakes struggle for power that has nothing to do with Ukraine, its just the chosen battlefield and its poor civilians have to pay the price.
 

Qat

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Ultimate blame for deaths lies on Russia, but Ukraine is using its own civilians as human shields both for military and propaganda purposes. Its leaders want its civilian body count to rise more and more to draw more and more international support.


There are no goodies and baddies in this game, children. There is only a high stakes struggle for power that has nothing to do with Ukraine, its just the chosen battlefield and its poor civilians have to pay the price.
Agree with many of this, this isn't good vs evil, but a power game. But still most of the blame goes to Putin.
However, the venue isn't random, Ukraine has considerable strategic value for Russia.
 

Sheepdog

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Agree with many of this, this isn't good vs evil, but a power game. But still most of the blame goes to Putin.
However, the venue isn't random, Ukraine has considerable strategic value for Russia.
Of course, just like Belgium has historically had strategic value for all the European powers. It's not random that they get to be a battlefield, but it's not about them.
 

kaladin stormblessed

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russia isnt engaged in a proxy war. they themselves have invaded another country

that country - ukraine - asked for physical help and others said no. ukrand then asked for financial and weapons help and others said yes

so half of it looks like a proxy war. and the financing nations will be better off with ukraine winning. but ukraine has skin in the game. its their home

so i dont think this fits the definition of a proxy war
 

Speaker to Animals

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Agree with many of this, this isn't good vs evil, but a power game. But still most of the blame goes to Putin.
However, the venue isn't random, Ukraine has considerable strategic value for Russia.
I would say all of it is on Putin.

If he hadn't started it, those people would be alive.

I don't take that source without a grain of salt
 
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Has Ukraine lost air support? Outside of these forum walls I'm not much of a military expert, but this looks like easy-pickins to me.

American pilots seeing this convoy would have to call me to see if their erection was supposed to last so long.
 

Sheepdog

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russia isnt engaged in a proxy war. they themselves have invaded another country

that country - ukraine - asked for physical help and others said no. ukrand then asked for financial and weapons help and others said yes

so half of it looks like a proxy war. and the financing nations will be better off with ukraine winning. but ukraine has skin in the game. its their home

so i dont think this fits the definition of a proxy war
Who has called it a proxy war?
 

kaladin stormblessed

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Who has called it a proxy war?
it was a discussion point in a prior post here. so i threw out my understanding in case one of the few smart people here - such as the annoying dick-obssesed doctor - could inform me as to where my understanding was wrong and/or incomplete