General Russia Ukraine round 2 Price hike boogaloo

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Hauler

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So let's speed up to the end- Putin takes Ukraine. It basically looks like Dresden now. He's still cut off from the international community, his population is rioting, and he's losing access to his funds.

Then what?
An official annexation of Belarus, then an invasion of Moldova.
 

Hauler

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do they already have the arsenal to do that? and if not, are they able to obtain the raw materials needed to manufacture more vehicles and weapons?
My assumption is Russia is using but a fraction of their military inventory.

It won't be machinery supply that fails them, it will be the will of the people. These sanctions will hit the Russian people way harder than Putin and his buddies. Putin will likely try to spin that as a reason for further advancement, but with how easy global information is obtained I don't know how effective that spin will be.
 

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My assumption is Russia is using but a fraction of their military inventory.

It won't be machinery supply that fails them, it will be the will of the people. These sanctions will hit the Russian people way harder than Putin and his buddies. Putin will likely try to spin that as a reason for further advancement, but with how easy global information is obtained I don't know how effective that spin will be.
Yep. Militarily they can eventually 'Winter War' this shit, fighting like mongs, losing ridiculous amounts of men and material but still eventually winning.

It's the collapse on the domestic front as body bags pile up and the economy tanks that is the danger.
 

Filthy

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Since we seem to want to turn the whole thread into strawmen to make points, perhaps you could stop for just a second and show us all some zelensky statements or personal actions supporting that he himself is in fact an ethnocentric racist.
that's not my point. Just saying "he's Jewish" doesn't mean he's incapable of being a "bad person".
 
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Shameless as ever, Mr. Trump pivoted on Saturday night in a speech at the Conservative Political Action Conference. He characterized the Russian invasion of Ukraine as “an assault on humanity.” But he insisted that Mr. Putin was “smart” to invade, while “our leaders are dumb.”

And he declared that anyone looking for a real danger to liberty should “start with the democracy that is under threat right next door, a place called Canada.”

He claimed that “the tyranny we have witnessed in Canada in recent weeks should shock and dismay people all over the world. ... The peaceful movement of patriotic truckers, workers and families protesting for their most basic rights and liberties has been violently put down.”

“A line has been has crossed,” he told the CPAC audience. “You’re either with the peaceful truckers or you are with the left-wing fascists.” That would be Justin Trudeau’s Liberal government.

As for Mr. Trump and his house: “We stand with the truckers and we stand with the Canadian people in their noble quest to reclaim their freedom.”
 
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that's not my point. Just saying "he's Jewish" doesn't mean he's incapable of being a "bad person".
But you didn't say bad person.

Him being Jewish makes it considerably less likely that he's a Nazi. Lobbing out innuendo that directly supports the Russian talking point of overstating Ukrainian government is just led by ethnostate fascists all the way to the Russian talking point that Zelensky is a self-hating Jew that loves with Nazis is not being neutral or educational on the topic.

It's just muddying the waters with propaganda under the guise of "both sides".
 

Filthy

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But you didn't say bad person.

Him being Jewish makes it considerably less likely that he's a Nazi. Lobbing out innuendo that directly supports the Russian talking point of overstating Ukrainian government is just led by ethnostate fascists all the way to the Russian talking point that Zelensky is a self-hating Jew that loves with Nazis is not being neutral or educational on the topic.

It's just muddying the waters with propaganda under the guise of "both sides".
sorry if you can only see things through one lens, and everything else is a "russian talking point", but the entire media apparatus is guilty of presenting this as a "one-side good guy" narrative.
 
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sorry if you can only see things through one lens
This is the disingenuous thing you keep doing in this thread.
Feel free to search for Nazi to find that I was the original post to mention it and the complexity here beyond us and them.

You posted Jimmy Dore video that I watched in its entirety while accusing everybody of being so simple to not understand what's happening. That video is comically myopic with only an analysis of US party interests for a conflict that is decades old with cultural and geopolitical issues far beyond even the purple revolution forward.
 

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Shameless as ever, Mr. Trump pivoted on Saturday night in a speech at the Conservative Political Action Conference. He characterized the Russian invasion of Ukraine as “an assault on humanity.” But he insisted that Mr. Putin was “smart” to invade, while “our leaders are dumb.”

And he declared that anyone looking for a real danger to liberty should “start with the democracy that is under threat right next door, a place called Canada.”

He claimed that “the tyranny we have witnessed in Canada in recent weeks should shock and dismay people all over the world. ... The peaceful movement of patriotic truckers, workers and families protesting for their most basic rights and liberties has been violently put down.”

“A line has been has crossed,” he told the CPAC audience. “You’re either with the peaceful truckers or you are with the left-wing fascists.” That would be Justin Trudeau’s Liberal government.

As for Mr. Trump and his house: “We stand with the truckers and we stand with the Canadian people in their noble quest to reclaim their freedom.”
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This is the disingenuous thing you keep doing in this thread.
Feel free to search for Nazi to find that I was the original post to mention it and the complexity here beyond us and them.

You posted Jimmy Dore video that I watched in its entirety while accusing everybody of being so simple to not understand what's happening. That video is comically myopic with only an analysis of US party interests for a conflict that is decades old with cultural and geopolitical issues far beyond even the purple revolution forward.
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