General 14 students, 1 teacher dead following mass school shooting in Texas

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Splinty

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So 26 is the magic number? All of a sudden people will know how to safely handle a gun on their 26th birthday.
It at least has a biological and social reason that makes a lot more sense than 18

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The undifferentiated 18 to 25 year old lacka impulse control and is at their most violent statistically.

That population should be targeted for risk reduction. Not given firearms with no risk reduction and no education.
 

Shinkicker

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seems as though you think the issue is negligent discharge.

I promise you, they're killing people on purpose.
No, sir. But any task or opportunity to break the cycle could help.

You have the right to bear arms. But you have to show you at least know the safety rules. Totally reasonable.
 

Shinkicker

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It at least has a biological and social reason that makes a lot more sense than 18

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The undifferentiated 18 to 25 year old lacka impulse control and is at their most violent statistically.

That population should be targeted for risk reduction. Not given firearms with no risk reduction and no education.

 

Splinty

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No, sir. But any task or opportunity to break the cycle could help.

You have the right to bear arms. But you have to show you at least know the safety rules. Totally reasonable.
Every one of these threads talks about responsible gun owners being taught that guns are tools and how to behave safely. They use guns from the early days. They view themselves as not dangerous, despite owning a lot of potentially dangerous tools. The tools can't hurt anybody and they're not going to hurt anybody because they've been taught safety. They teach their kids the same gun safety and to respect it and that it's not a toy and that it's serious business. You don't pull it out to threaten, only defense and only shoot to kill, always try to de-escalate first,etc, etc etc. This entire philosophy of gun safety and brow beating kids that this isn't a cool badass Rambo movie thing but something that could really put your ass in jail and that you really don't want to use this gun in defense if you can help it.
All of this works to make safe gun owners.


Apparently unless we require it for others.
 

mysticmac

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Listen, society isn’t raising kids in the same way it did in the past.

Regardless of any argument, the truth is that these offenders that choose schools are generally of a certain age and they have taking a liking to a certain weapon. And doing absolutely nothing to deter them is just....well, stupid.
There have always been bad parents.
 
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mysticmac

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No one said they couldn’t have guns. You are just being difficult.

If a parent refuses to sign for you, there’s your red flag!

But you can still buy one if you take a firearms safety test first.
Once they are 18, they are legal adults. They don't need mommy & daddy's permission.
 

John Lee Pettimore

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Co-signer is a ridiculous idea.
If it was specified as a non-relative, then it absolutely would have stopped James Holmes, Seung-hui Cho, Nikolas Cruz, and Salvador Ramos from getting guns. None of them stood a chance of getting anyone who knew them to vouch for them as an owner of an AR-15 - all 3 of them were simply far too clearly and obviously seriously mentally ill, and far too socially isolated to clear that hurdle.

And that would mean that none of us had ever heard of the VTech massacre, the Batman shooter, Parkland or Uvalde. Over 90 people were murdered by just those 4.

You know what's ridiculous? Whining that people aren't giving enough attention to right wing grifters bleating about rap music and video games in 2022 as a pathetic attempt to deflect away from the guns. ?

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mysticmac

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It at least has a biological and social reason that makes a lot more sense than 18

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The undifferentiated 18 to 25 year old lacka impulse control and is at their most violent statistically.

That population should be targeted for risk reduction. Not given firearms with no risk reduction and no education.
Fully developed alright. They downloaded the gun knowledge super pack, matrix style!!!1
 

mysticmac

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Every one of these threads talks about responsible gun owners being taught that guns are tools and how to behave safely. They use guns from the early days. They view themselves as not dangerous, despite owning a lot of potentially dangerous tools. The tools can't hurt anybody and they're not going to hurt anybody because they've been taught safety. They teach their kids the same gun safety and to respect it and that it's not a toy and that it's serious business. You don't pull it out to threaten, only defense and only shoot to kill, always try to de-escalate first,etc, etc etc. This entire philosophy of gun safety and brow beating kids that this isn't a cool badass Rambo movie thing but something that could really put your ass in jail and that you really don't want to use this gun in defense if you can help it.
All of this works to make safe gun owners.


Apparently unless we require it for others.
I didn't know they used Glocks in the Revolutionary War. Well, at least Austria was down with us gaining our freedom!

Holy, assumption filled post. It isn't hard to not shoot someone. I'm doing it right now, and I'm not even trying.
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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True.

Even your best friend filthy said the key was to identify these mentally disturbed offenders. What better way to identify them? The parents know.
Lol @parents not thinking their kids are angels.

Even by your own statements your desire to keep your son from having a gun is because you don't want him to, not because you think he's a danger.
 

John Lee Pettimore

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"He had his reasons."
One of the most mindblowing "after the crime" quotes I've ever read. Maybe there's a language barrier issue, but from everything I've read about both the parents and their interviews after the massacre and the way they raised him...... wow, yeah, both of them real pieces of shit. Apparently they just happened to produce a legitimate psychopath, and then they abused and neglected him his entire life and completely ignored all of the very visible, very troubling warning signs that he was routinely displaying for years.

Absolute disastrous failures as human beings, those two. Usually I'm not too harsh on the parents of mass killers. Good wombs have borne bad sons, and all that. But the two elementary school shooters, Ramos and Lanza? Both of their mothers bear some responsibility, IMO.

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Splinty

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I didn't know they used Glocks in the Revolutionary War. Well, at least Austria was down with us gaining our freedom!
Your sarcasm has gone so far. I don't have any idea what you mean.


Holy, assumption filled post. It isn't hard to not shoot someone. I'm doing it right now, and I'm not even trying.

What's the assumption?

Sounds like you and I grew up pretty much the same. We shot a lot of guns. Parents were on our ass about them being safe. It wasn't particularly cool. You don't play with them. Any amount of fetishism and badassery visions were beat our of our idiot teen brains until they just became tools that need some respect. Getting revenge via a gun or using a gun to settle something became a never thought. Using your gun itself, defense sounds like an absolutely horrendous situation to be in, but one that might be necessary.

Let me know where I'm wrong.
 

John Lee Pettimore

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Gee, maybe parents should teach their kids about guns. You know, like parenting.
A lot of people don't give a single fuck about parenting their kids. A LOT of them. Others think it's funny to encourage lawbreaking and risk taking behaviour in their kids. Wishing that's not the case is never gonna change that. ?

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mysticmac

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Your sarcasm has gone so far. I don't have any idea what you mean.





What's the assumption?

Sounds like you and I grew up pretty much the same. We shot a lot of guns. Parents were on our ass about them being safe. It wasn't particularly cool. You don't play with them. Any amount of fetishism and badassery visions were beat our of our idiot teen brains until they just became tools that need some respect. Getting revenge via a gun or using a gun to settle something became a never thought. Using your gun itself, defense sounds like an absolutely horrendous situation to be in, but one that might be necessary.

Let me know where I'm wrong.
I guess I misinterpreted your post. I took "they use guns from the early days" to mean old guns. After rereading, you likely mean "from a young age". My mistake.
 

mysticmac

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A lot of people don't give a single fuck about parenting their kids. A LOT of them. Others think it's funny to encourage lawbreaking and risk taking behaviour in their kids. Wishing that's not the case is never gonna change that. ?

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Correct. It is a good thing it is easy enough to protect yourself against these lawbreaking folks.
 

mysticmac

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Parenting don’t magically stop at 18.

Let me parent.
Correct, but legal adults magically exist at 18, so while parents may not like it, an 18 yr old can make their own decisions. Parents are suppose to use those 18 years to set their kids up for success when they go out into the real world. That hasn't changed. Babying them for longer doesn't help them.