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MountainMedic

Rock Kicker
Sep 28, 2017
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Added a compensator to my G17 for that Roland Special look. Shame this place doesn't have an app for ease of pictures.
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Pretty much runs like an app, posting pics is easy.
I don't know if I did something with my settings when I first joined back then.
Are talking about like flkr kinks or something,
 

The Loge

Expert
Nov 12, 2015
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Pretty emotional moment for me this weekend. I gave my 23-year-old niece who has been really getting into firearms and training over the last few years my first gun this weekend. It was my Mom's grandfather's, then her father's, then my father's and then mine when my dad gave it to me when I was 8 or so. Springfield Model 53B single shot bolt action .22 lr. It's really the only family heirloom we have and I always want to keep it in the family. Shes the youngest and last of our family name. It's very unlikely I will ever have children so decided to give it to her. Been in my feels about it pretty strong boys. I will never forget my dad passing it down to me and all the good times I had with that rifle as a boy.
Going to southern Indiana to my best friends place on Saturday to shoot and grill out, he's got a nice little range on his property. My niece and her boyfriend are meeting my girl and I, and two other of my best friends and their wives down there. Should be a great time boys!
Pretty emotional moment for me this weekend. I gave my 23-year-old niece who has been really getting into firearms and training over the last few years my first gun this weekend. It was my Mom's grandfather's, then her father's, then my father's and then mine when my dad gave it to me when I was 8 or so. Springfield Model 53B single shot bolt action .22 lr. It's really the only family heirloom we have and I always want to keep it in the family. Shes the youngest and last of our family name. It's very unlikely I will ever have children so decided to give it to her. Been in my feels about it pretty strong boys. I will never forget my dad passing it down to me and all the good times I had with that rifle as a boy.
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Only pic we got of us all weekend and the rifle is, of course not pictured lol.
 

Masterclass

Has doggos that's cooler
Nov 18, 2023
73
152
Looking for information on where to find 223/556 ammo deals. I don’t mind signing up for emails and waiting for sales. Need target and defensive loads. Also, what is you go to AR defensive load and why?
 

MountainMedic

Rock Kicker
Sep 28, 2017
2,028
4,437
Looking for information on where to find 223/556 ammo deals. I don’t mind signing up for emails and waiting for sales. Need target and defensive loads. Also, what is you go to AR defensive load and why?
Sportsman's Guide is pretty good about letting you back order stuff. When it comes available you get an email for final order approvals.

Phenix, because they are OGers.

That's where 99% of my ammo comes from
 

theken206

Active Member
Aug 14, 2024
65
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Looking for information on where to find 223/556 ammo deals. I don’t mind signing up for emails and waiting for sales. Need target and defensive loads. Also, what is you go to AR defensive load and why?
I usally just use ammo seek or wikiguns and look at what's cheapest and factor in shipping.

For defensive loads for .223/5.56 it just depends on barrel length, and if I care about shit being barrier blind or not.

I've got like 11-12 Mags loaded for "social" purposes including a d60 drum full of 75 grain gold dot. Mostly 75 and 55 grain Gold Dot, and 77 and 75 grain BTHPs.

Tucked away I also have more MK262, the last of my blackhills 77 grain TMK, 75 grain hornady t2 bullet loadings, and various weights of Barnes TSX/TTSX loads lol.

Basically I break it down like this. Like any other bullet, does it go deep enough. Then, if it's a bullet that I'm depending on fragmentation as a secondary wounding mechanism, is it in its operational envelope for that to happen.

Too fast and you might see it neck immediately and rapidly fragment and not see very good penitration of the frag. Too slow and you also may not see good frag, although some loads are less susceptible to that like say 77 grain TMK which frags pretty well down to 2000ish or possibly even below FPS.

Now, do I care about possible over penitration concerns, and does my chosen load at what ever velocity its actually going, tend to stay with in the penitration maximums the FBI/IWBA wants to see to reduce the likleyhood of a shoot through.

Now, do I give a fuck about it being barrier blind, and being able to do all these afromentioned things well enough, when shot through an intermediate barrier like interior walls, auto glass and car doors etc etc.

Lastly, what does external and terminal ballistics look like at further distances if I care about that. Good TSX loadings tend to be pretty god damned accurate, but monolithic projos are fairly velocity dependent and don't necessarily expand and perform super well once you bleed a bunch of velocity off.

JSPs still tend to expand well at further distances, and you can juice that up a bit with more initial velocity with say a longer barrel and or a lighter projo. But they aren't all equally accurate.

Federals "FBI load" is a great bullet, and does quite well out of SBR lengths, but many lots of it tend to be kinda dog water accuracy wise I've noticed.

Where as say Gold Dot in the various weights, tend to be pretty accurate out of most guns.

Basically it all comes down to what do I want the bullet to be able to do, what velocities does it accomplish that job and how far away can it do that well out of my particular guns, and if I care about it, how accurate is it mechanical out of my gat.

Then you run into me stealing a quote from ughhhhh Chuck Pressburg? Very poorly paraphrasing lol but...

"If I don't care about over penitration, how much does anything of this conversation actually matter at social distances. If I'm shooting you 3-4 times a second you're in my home and presenting a lethal threat, does it really matter if it's gold dot, m193 or green tip?"
 

Masterclass

Has doggos that's cooler
Nov 18, 2023
73
152
Sportsman's Guide is pretty good about letting you back order stuff. When it comes available you get an email for final order approvals.

Phenix, because they are OGers.

That's where 99% of my ammo comes from
I forgot about the Phenix connection, thanks!
 

Masterclass

Has doggos that's cooler
Nov 18, 2023
73
152
I usally just use ammo seek or wikiguns and look at what's cheapest and factor in shipping.

For defensive loads for .223/5.56 it just depends on barrel length, and if I care about shit being barrier blind or not.

I've got like 11-12 Mags loaded for "social" purposes including a d60 drum full of 75 grain gold dot. Mostly 75 and 55 grain Gold Dot, and 77 and 75 grain BTHPs.

Tucked away I also have more MK262, the last of my blackhills 77 grain TMK, 75 grain hornady t2 bullet loadings, and various weights of Barnes TSX/TTSX loads lol.

Basically I break it down like this. Like any other bullet, does it go deep enough. Then, if it's a bullet that I'm depending on fragmentation as a secondary wounding mechanism, is it in its operational envelope for that to happen.

Too fast and you might see it neck immediately and rapidly fragment and not see very good penitration of the frag. Too slow and you also may not see good frag, although some loads are less susceptible to that like say 77 grain TMK which frags pretty well down to 2000ish or possibly even below FPS.

Now, do I care about possible over penitration concerns, and does my chosen load at what ever velocity its actually going, tend to stay with in the penitration maximums the FBI/IWBA wants to see to reduce the likleyhood of a shoot through.

Now, do I give a fuck about it being barrier blind, and being able to do all these afromentioned things well enough, when shot through an intermediate barrier like interior walls, auto glass and car doors etc etc.

Lastly, what does external and terminal ballistics look like at further distances if I care about that. Good TSX loadings tend to be pretty god damned accurate, but monolithic projos are fairly velocity dependent and don't necessarily expand and perform super well once you bleed a bunch of velocity off.

JSPs still tend to expand well at further distances, and you can juice that up a bit with more initial velocity with say a longer barrel and or a lighter projo. But they aren't all equally accurate.

Federals "FBI load" is a great bullet, and does quite well out of SBR lengths, but many lots of it tend to be kinda dog water accuracy wise I've noticed.

Where as say Gold Dot in the various weights, tend to be pretty accurate out of most guns.

Basically it all comes down to what do I want the bullet to be able to do, what velocities does it accomplish that job and how far away can it do that well out of my particular guns, and if I care about it, how accurate is it mechanical out of my gat.

Then you run into me stealing a quote from ughhhhh Chuck Pressburg? Very poorly paraphrasing lol but...

"If I don't care about over penitration, how much does anything of this conversation actually matter at social distances. If I'm shooting you 3-4 times a second you're in my home and presenting a lethal threat, does it really matter if it's gold dot, m193 or green tip?"
Excellent points. Got me thinking a bit. Thanks man.
 

theken206

Active Member
Aug 14, 2024
65
182
Excellent points. Got me thinking a bit. Thanks man.
For sure! Basically you can make it as simple or a nuanced as you want. "Do sploody metal thingy go deep enough but not too deep from my boom stick"

Or you can nerd out and decide how many things, and how well the projo does at various velocities and distances lol and decide how many of those bases you wanna cover and is it worth the cost of the ammo for you to do so.

I've got 60 rounds of 75 grain Gold Dot not three feet from me because it covers all the bases I care about. I can shoot through stuff, it's accurate, and it is unlikely to cause a shoot through. But it's also not going to violently frag like say 77 grain TMK and cause nasty secondary wounds from that.

I've also got the 1301 stoked full of soft lead slugs because they blow big ass holes but don't tend to over penitrate through human beings lol. Ya boy likes options hahaha.
 

Burner2274

Active Member
Aug 14, 2024
64
73
Odd question of the day... Some subsonic .22 rounds have no powder and a strong primer that's just enough to "fire" them. Legally, is a .22 rifle shooting subsonic .22 with no powder a "firearm?"