Sports NFL 2024-25 Official Thread

[Chimonos Revenge]

Im assuming it would be against the Players Union rules for a team to sit a player until they took less money than agreed on.
BUt it's perfectly fine for a player to sit while they demand MORE money than originally agreed on.

But it's the same principle. For example, Daniel Jones should be forced to re-negotiate to take less money

 

[BruteDion]

Im assuming it would be against the Players Union rules for a team to sit a player until they took less money than agreed on.
BUt it's perfectly fine for a player to sit while they demand MORE money than originally agreed on.

But it's the same principle. For example, Daniel Jones should be forced to re-negotiate to take less money

Oh I miss read you. I thought you were talking about a team sitting a player to get a cheaper NEW deal. You mean they want a player to take a pay cut. Yeah teams can do that and do it all the time.

For an example the Cowboys back in the day forced D. Ware to take a pay cut so they could pay Tony Romo. I was PISSED when they did that and D. Ware ended up not getting the future deal he wanted and went to Denver. Obviously Denver was very happy with Dallas's fuck up.

So yeah...players can hold out and teams can pull the shit you also were talking about.

 

[BruteDion]

Also I'm pretty sure a fairly known player got cut last year because he refused to take a pay cut. I cant remember who it was though

 

[itskrisdude]

Yeah im not making an argument against why an NFL team does what they do when it comes to negotiating. I'm speaking on the players perspective on how they want to get deals done because they could get hurt/etc. Seahawks were in the right in that situation. Their worries became true. In Aiyuk's situation he was right because he's worries became true.

Everyone has their own reasons for wanting to get deals done. It just seems players are only the ones viewed as being unreasonable.

Players are mostly viewed as unreasonable when they don’t perform. At that point the perception transforms to “they didn‘t earn the money.”

I don’t blame players for renegotiating deals before their contracts expire because teams have obviously been willing to do it. That’s just business. But fans are emotional creatures so…

 

[Chimonos Revenge]

Players can always ask for more money.
What's unsavory to me is sitting out, holding out, demanding a trade, and basically being an ass if yhou are told no.

YOU signed the contract. Honor it

 

[BruteDion]

Players are mostly viewed as unreasonable when they don’t perform. At that point the perspective transforms to “they didn‘t earn the money.”

I don’t blame players for renegotiating deals before their contracts expire because teams have obviously been willing to do it. That’s just business. But fans are emotional creatures so…

When they underpreform I take no issue with people saying they didn't earn it because that's the here and now. Teams and players are mostly thinking about future promises and performance though.

I guess another way I can put it is this: The system is built for the NFL teams to always come out on top. So why do fans dislike it when a player comes out on top?

For example with this injury to Watson the Browns are getting 58mil in salary relief. Browns fucked up with the Watson deal. Why should they get a break? Well the system is designed like that. Aiyuk uses the system and got the best contract he could. Why is it ok for the Browns to use the system but not Aiyuk?

Karma wise I would say the Brown have much more bad karma due to them then Aiyuk.

Obviously the system was built by the NFL so clearly it's always gonna favor them. Don't think I'm on some communist rant or anything. I'm all capitalism baby. I'm just happy with the players also using that system for their own financial gain. l

 

[Chimonos Revenge]

I still think the sporting world would change dramatically for the better if EVERY player earned a base salary by position, and earned more money based off hitting performance marks.

 

[BruteDion]

I still think the sporting world would change dramatically for the better if EVERY player earned a base salary by position, and earned more money based off hitting performance marks.

Sounds good on paper but would be bad for a locker room. Everyone would be pissed at even the most slight down tick in playing time.

Also players would be fighting to not come off the field. I saw that first hand with Arian Foster fighting Ben Tate for when Ben came in to replace Foster. And that was under the current system. It would be even worse with what you propose.

There would be zero team chemistry and even lower team loyalty. FA would be a nightmare because as soon as one FA is told he will get playing time if he plays for a team and does not get the playing time he needs he will bitch.

Every player would only want 1 year deals. There will be no such thing as a player playing a major part of their career with 1 team.

 

[itskrisdude]

When they underpreform I take no issue with people saying they didn't earn it because that's the here and now. Teams and players are mostly thinking about future promises and performance though.

I guess another way I can put it is this: The system is built for the NFL teams to always come out on top. So why do fans dislike it when a player comes out on top?

For example with this injury to Watson the Browns are getting 58mil in salary relief. Browns fucked up with the Watson deal. Why should they get a break? Well the system is designed like that. Aiyuk uses the system and got the best contract he could. Why is it ok for the Browns to use the system but not Aiyuk?

Karma wise I would say the Brown have much more bad karma due to them then Aiyuk.

Obviously the system was built by the NFL so clearly it's always gonna favor them. Don't think I'm on some communist rant or anything. I'm all capitalism baby. I'm just happy with the players also using that system for their own financial gain. l

Because the teams have power. They are the employer.

Keep in mind most people view these situations through a comparative lens of their own lives. NFL players have much more leverage negotiating with their employer than your average citizen. So when a player says my 12 million a year isn’t good enough because I deserve 20, many people just think, “cry me a river, fuck you.”

Personally, I don’t know many people who have a problem with players trying to get as much money as possible, so maybe you just hear more complaining than I do.

 

[Chimonos Revenge]

Sounds good on paper but would be bad for a locker room. Everyone would be pissed at even the most slight down tick in playing time.

Also players would be fighting to not come off the field. I saw that first hand with Arian Foster fighting Ben Tate for when Ben came in to replace Foster. And that was under the current system. It would be even worse with what you propose.

There would be zero team chemistry and even lower team loyalty. FA would be a nightmare because as soon as one FA is told he will get playing time if he plays for a team and does not get the playing time he needs he will bitch.

Every player would only want 1 year deals. There will be no such thing as a player playing a major part of their career with 1 team.

Yeah, it would never work i know.

 

[Chimonos Revenge]

Because the teams have power. They are the employer.

Keep in mind most people view these situations through a comparative lens of their own lives. NFL players have much more leverage negotiating with their employer than your average citizen. So when a player says my 12 million a year isn’t good enough because I deserve 20, many people just think, “cry me a river, fuck you.”

Personally, I don’t know many people who have a problem with players trying to get as much money as possible, so maybe you just hear more complaining than I do.

I have no problem with players ASKING for more money, i have a problem with them acting like entitled d-bags and holding their team hostage when they don't get their way.
There's a difference there.

 

[itskrisdude]

I have no problem with players ASKING for more money, i have a problem with them acting like entitled d-bags and holding their team hostage when they don't get their way.
There's a difference there.

Yeah you’re talking about attitude, which can draw dislike no matter the situation. You can have an entitled attitude about being first in line for coffee and I’ll still want to smack you.

 

[BruteDion]

Because the teams have power. They are the employer.

Keep in mind most people view these situations through a comparative lens of their own lives. NFL players have much more leverage negotiating with their employer than your average citizen. So when a player says my 12 million a year isn’t good enough because I deserve 20, many people just think, “cry me a river, fuck you.”

Personally, I don’t know many people who have a problem with players trying to get as much money as possible, so maybe you just hear more complaining than I do.

There are those people out there but I'm not really talking about them. When Burrow got his big deal people didn't complain. That was the system running its course and a player got paid what they are do. It's when players hold out people complain it seems. Both are the system being used how it was intended. I dont see why the NFL can cut pay but players can't hold out to them. Me and you are fine with it. I'm talking about those who dont like it.

 

[itskrisdude]

Yeah I don’t hear a lot about it unless the player is a clear asshole, like Jamal Adams. But I also completely tune out talking head half-wits on TV and the internet.

 

[Chimonos Revenge]

Yeah I don’t hear a lot about it unless the player is a clear asshole, like Jamal Adams.

I think once it gets into the territory of holding out and leaving your team in the lurch, or demanding a trade because you don't get what yhouw ant... you have entered asshole territory.

Hasaan Reddick, for example.

 

[BruteDion]

I'm firmly in the camp of "Monday night doubleheaders are stupid" I mean a 9pm start time east coast?!?! WTF man.

I'm gonna have to move to the west coast.

 

[BruteDion]

I think once it gets into the territory of holding out and leaving your team in the lurch, or demanding a trade because you don't get what yhouw ant... you have entered asshole territory.

Hasaan Reddick, for example.

Reddick is an example of the Jets being stupid. The Eagles told them he would need a new deal before playing yet they traded for him anyways.

 

[Chimonos Revenge]

I'm firmly in the camp of "Monday night doubleheaders are stupid" I mean a 9pm start time east coast?!?! WTF man.

I'm gonna have to move to the west coast.

Yeah agreed.

 

[itskrisdude]

I think once it gets into the territory of holding out and leaving your team in the lurch, or demanding a trade because you don't get what yhouw ant... you have entered asshole territory.

Hasaan Reddick, for example.

Yeah I don’t agree. If your contribution on the team isn’t being represented financially, I have no issues with holdouts. When Marshawn was doing his “hold-in” I completely agreed with him. He was the engine and heart of the team taking substantial physical punishment as a workhorse. At that juncture he had outperformed his contract was willing to risk fines and everything else for a market value adjustment. I was fine with that.

 

[BruteDion]

Roger Goodell telling @Sergio and other Raiders fans that Brady is not able to play QB for them


View: https://youtu.be/wBxerWx_ZXE?si=FPDR1O-nDZy7Fhjz

 

[Chimonos Revenge]

Roger Goodell telling @Sergio and other Raiders fans that Brady is not able to play QB for them


View: https://youtu.be/wBxerWx_ZXE?si=FPDR1O-nDZy7Fhjz

He should come running out of the Tunnel all suited up in the middle of the third quarter when the raiders are down a score, like Shane Falco in the Replacements.

 

[BruteDion]

View: https://twitter.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1848433667724480801?t=T9RRW3Hy6DbWJioU0TOXCw&s=19

 

[Chimonos Revenge]

Lol, we're going to see another death on the field

Dude is scrambled

 

[danggook]

I'm firmly in the camp of "Monday night doubleheaders are stupid" I mean a 9pm start time east coast?!?! WTF man.

I'm gonna have to move to the west coast.

West coast best for football, starts at 10am ends by 8:30-9

UFC starts at 7, over 10-10:30

Couldn't imagine having UFC or primetime football finishing past midnight

 

[danggook]

View: https://twitter.com/UnderdogFantasy/status/1848131775341752484?t=V0HAeGsjkv2SJgG1ZafFwQ&s=01


I could listen to Jameis all day