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Chimonos Revenge

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She's probably naturally a pretty girl, I don't get what the cartoonish breast size appeals to. That and the insane asses and lips we see these days. Is it an appeal to the lowest dregs of our society? The key to attractiveness is proportion and symmetry.
Yeah, nothing about this style of look is attractive to me. She looks like a soul less sex doll. Hugely fake tits, fake ass...the stupid lips...fake eyelashes.
Cant really tell, but looks like she's probably got some shitty tattoos too.

What are we even doing here lol.
 

BruteDion

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Brandon Aiyuk is feared to have torn his ACL

You know, whenever a player makes a big stink about his contract and holds out, and demands a trade, and holds his team hostage.....i kind of don't feel bad when they catch a season ending injury

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There is a good argument on the reverse end on this being why players want deals. If he played this season and got this same injury he makes less on his new contract than what he got via holdout.

For example let's compare who thinks back on if they made the right choice.

Aiyuk wants new deal. He holds out and gets new deal.

Earl Thomas wants new deal. Goes back and plays on his current deal hes not happy with. He gets hurt. Does not get the deal he wanted and goes to a different team.

I'll personally take Aiyuk's situation all day if I'm a player.
 

Chimonos Revenge

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There is a good argument on the reverse end on this being why players want deals. If he played this season and got this same injury he makes less on his new contract than what he got via holdout.

For example let's compare who thinks back on if they made the right choice.

Aiyuk wants new deal. He holds out and gets new deal.

Earl Thomas wants new deal. Goes back and plays on his current deal hes not happy with. He gets hurt. Does not get the deal he wanted and goes to a different team.

I'll personally take Aiyuk's situation all day if I'm a player.
Getting hurt has nothing to do with the deal you already signed. It's football, your career can be over any minute. Something you just have to accept. If you aren't on the field, you have no value to your team.
 

itskrisdude

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Earl Thomas wants new deal. Goes back and plays on his current deal hes not happy with. He gets hurt.
This was a unique situation though. Seattle did not give him the deal he wanted because he refused their surgery recommendation for a leg injury. They knew he was compromised and were proven right. Only after he broke his leg again did he get the proper work done, and at that point the relationship was broken beyond repair.
 
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Chimonos Revenge

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There's been a lot of these comparisons this year. Underlying point is that Mahomes just hasn't been very good at all this year.

Yet the Chiefs are 6-0. Yes, there's been a LOT Of ref assitance. But he's always a threat to defenses because of who he is, but he's just playing pretty sub-par.

6 TDS to a league leading 8 ints.
Like 23rd int he league in passer rating.

Lots of bad throws this year. If the games had been reffed fairly, that team would be 3-3 at best.
 

BruteDion

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Getting hurt has nothing to do with the deal you already signed. It's football, your career can be over any minute. Something you just have to accept. If you aren't on the field, you have no value to your team.
Which is why players want the deals the want. They know you can get hurt so why risk it when you have only 1 year left on your contract. That is what they are thinking.

Aiyuk made the right move financially.
 

BruteDion

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Yeah Russ was

This was a unique situation though. Seattle did not give him the deal he wanted because he refused their surgery recommendation for a leg injury. They knew he was compromised and were proven right. Only after he broke his leg again did he get the proper work done, and at that point the relationship was broken beyond repair.
Yeah im not making an argument against why an NFL team does what they do when it comes to negotiating. I'm speaking on the players perspective on how they want to get deals done because they could get hurt/etc. Seahawks were in the right in that situation. Their worries became true. In Aiyuk's situation he was right because he's worries became true.

Everyone has their own reasons for wanting to get deals done. It just seems players are only the ones viewed as being unreasonable.
 

Chimonos Revenge

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Yeah im not making an argument against why an NFL team does what they do when it comes to negotiating. I'm speaking on the players perspective on how they want to get deals done because they could get hurt/etc. Seahawks were in the right in that situation. Their worries became true. In Aiyuk's situation he was right because he's worries became true.

Everyone has their own reasons for wanting to get deals done. It just seems players are only the ones viewed as being unreasonable.
If an NFL team forced a player to sit until they re-negotiated for less money, it would be the same thing imo.

Honor the contract you already signed. WHen it expires, negotiate for a new one.

Holding your team and teammates hostage is only looking out for yourself, which i know most players are these days.
 

BruteDion

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If an NFL team forced a player to sit until they re-negotiated for less money, it would be the same thing imo.

Honor the contract you already signed. WHen it expires, negotiate for a new one.
If a team wanted to that then thats their right. There are protections against this somewhat. The player would still get paid for that contract and would get to enter free agency healthy.

Edit: Also that would very much so piss off agents (as thats how they get paid) and the union. If an agent for example reps a very good player and a middling player for the same team and the team sits the middling player then the agent will fuck them when it comes time to sign the good player.
 

Chimonos Revenge

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Im assuming it would be against the Players Union rules for a team to sit a player until they took less money than agreed on.
BUt it's perfectly fine for a player to sit while they demand MORE money than originally agreed on.

But it's the same principle. For example, Daniel Jones should be forced to re-negotiate to take less money :)
 

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Im assuming it would be against the Players Union rules for a team to sit a player until they took less money than agreed on.
BUt it's perfectly fine for a player to sit while they demand MORE money than originally agreed on.

But it's the same principle. For example, Daniel Jones should be forced to re-negotiate to take less money :)
Oh I miss read you. I thought you were talking about a team sitting a player to get a cheaper NEW deal. You mean they want a player to take a pay cut. Yeah teams can do that and do it all the time.

For an example the Cowboys back in the day forced D. Ware to take a pay cut so they could pay Tony Romo. I was PISSED when they did that and D. Ware ended up not getting the future deal he wanted and went to Denver. Obviously Denver was very happy with Dallas's fuck up.

So yeah...players can hold out and teams can pull the shit you also were talking about.
 

BruteDion

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Also I'm pretty sure a fairly known player got cut last year because he refused to take a pay cut. I cant remember who it was though
 

itskrisdude

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Yeah im not making an argument against why an NFL team does what they do when it comes to negotiating. I'm speaking on the players perspective on how they want to get deals done because they could get hurt/etc. Seahawks were in the right in that situation. Their worries became true. In Aiyuk's situation he was right because he's worries became true.

Everyone has their own reasons for wanting to get deals done. It just seems players are only the ones viewed as being unreasonable.
Players are mostly viewed as unreasonable when they don’t perform. At that point the perception transforms to “they didn‘t earn the money.”

I don’t blame players for renegotiating deals before their contracts expire because teams have obviously been willing to do it. That’s just business. But fans are emotional creatures so…
 

Chimonos Revenge

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Players can always ask for more money.
What's unsavory to me is sitting out, holding out, demanding a trade, and basically being an ass if yhou are told no.

YOU signed the contract. Honor it
 

BruteDion

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Players are mostly viewed as unreasonable when they don’t perform. At that point the perspective transforms to “they didn‘t earn the money.”

I don’t blame players for renegotiating deals before their contracts expire because teams have obviously been willing to do it. That’s just business. But fans are emotional creatures so…
When they underpreform I take no issue with people saying they didn't earn it because that's the here and now. Teams and players are mostly thinking about future promises and performance though.

I guess another way I can put it is this: The system is built for the NFL teams to always come out on top. So why do fans dislike it when a player comes out on top?

For example with this injury to Watson the Browns are getting 58mil in salary relief. Browns fucked up with the Watson deal. Why should they get a break? Well the system is designed like that. Aiyuk uses the system and got the best contract he could. Why is it ok for the Browns to use the system but not Aiyuk?

Karma wise I would say the Brown have much more bad karma due to them then Aiyuk.

Obviously the system was built by the NFL so clearly it's always gonna favor them. Don't think I'm on some communist rant or anything. I'm all capitalism baby. I'm just happy with the players also using that system for their own financial gain. l
 

Chimonos Revenge

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I still think the sporting world would change dramatically for the better if EVERY player earned a base salary by position, and earned more money based off hitting performance marks.
 

BruteDion

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I still think the sporting world would change dramatically for the better if EVERY player earned a base salary by position, and earned more money based off hitting performance marks.
Sounds good on paper but would be bad for a locker room. Everyone would be pissed at even the most slight down tick in playing time.

Also players would be fighting to not come off the field. I saw that first hand with Arian Foster fighting Ben Tate for when Ben came in to replace Foster. And that was under the current system. It would be even worse with what you propose.

There would be zero team chemistry and even lower team loyalty. FA would be a nightmare because as soon as one FA is told he will get playing time if he plays for a team and does not get the playing time he needs he will bitch.

Every player would only want 1 year deals. There will be no such thing as a player playing a major part of their career with 1 team.
 

itskrisdude

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When they underpreform I take no issue with people saying they didn't earn it because that's the here and now. Teams and players are mostly thinking about future promises and performance though.

I guess another way I can put it is this: The system is built for the NFL teams to always come out on top. So why do fans dislike it when a player comes out on top?

For example with this injury to Watson the Browns are getting 58mil in salary relief. Browns fucked up with the Watson deal. Why should they get a break? Well the system is designed like that. Aiyuk uses the system and got the best contract he could. Why is it ok for the Browns to use the system but not Aiyuk?

Karma wise I would say the Brown have much more bad karma due to them then Aiyuk.

Obviously the system was built by the NFL so clearly it's always gonna favor them. Don't think I'm on some communist rant or anything. I'm all capitalism baby. I'm just happy with the players also using that system for their own financial gain. l
Because the teams have power. They are the employer.

Keep in mind most people view these situations through a comparative lens of their own lives. NFL players have much more leverage negotiating with their employer than your average citizen. So when a player says my 12 million a year isn’t good enough because I deserve 20, many people just think, “cry me a river, fuck you.”

Personally, I don’t know many people who have a problem with players trying to get as much money as possible, so maybe you just hear more complaining than I do.
 

Chimonos Revenge

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Sounds good on paper but would be bad for a locker room. Everyone would be pissed at even the most slight down tick in playing time.

Also players would be fighting to not come off the field. I saw that first hand with Arian Foster fighting Ben Tate for when Ben came in to replace Foster. And that was under the current system. It would be even worse with what you propose.

There would be zero team chemistry and even lower team loyalty. FA would be a nightmare because as soon as one FA is told he will get playing time if he plays for a team and does not get the playing time he needs he will bitch.

Every player would only want 1 year deals. There will be no such thing as a player playing a major part of their career with 1 team.
Yeah, it would never work i know.