155 is not a division. Canelo has the WBC middleweight belt,160 pounds. GGG is the #1 contender for that belt in that division.
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Bro, I know, don't you find it the least bit irritating though? I mean as a fan!..I like GGG, I think he's great, I'd just wish he'd take one of these fights (which I'm sure he could beat fairly easily) to create a bigger name for himself, and then start making demands...
I find it irritating Canelo refuses to fight GGG at a full 160 pounds
Me too bro, but thats boxing..and GGG can easily make 155..he was 164 a month off for his next fight, wade was 170 like most middleweights, so I am equally if not more irritated at GGG not taking that fight..
Well 176 is just even worse for your point...same thing..why not make 155? he can cut 9 pounds in a month..shit..take a shit weigh in day and dont eat..he didn't have to cut anything a month off, that's what GGG normally weighs..I think he can beat Canelo, if he thinks the same he should go ahead and do it.
I hate catchweights. They suck. The delegitimize the belts. Boxing has enough weight classes the way it is the last thing we need to do is make another one. And Canelo's fucking bigger than GGG. By about 10-12 pounds. I'm a Canelo fan but I think he's a little dense at times.
Yh it makes no sense, but he's the bigger name and you gotta do what the bigger name says in these situations...people are/were bending over backwards to fight Floyd, GGG said he'd make 154 for him...its how it goes, its what boxing is..I don't get why he doesn't take that fight, being the smaller fighter, cutting that weight would be easier on him than Canelo. I can't understand the reasoning.. Canelo probably likes being the bigger guy in the fight..that's up to him (he absolutely dwarfed Cotto and he'll be a bigger than GGG be it 155 or 160). I just don't get it man. GGG needs to fight some big name, Wade is a start but its hardly Canelo..Its annoying they were about to make Canelo GGG, and GGG goes to fight Wade while Canelo is fighting Khan..why miss that payday?and who's better off without that fight? Not GGG for sure.
God damnit let me explain this one more time...The WBC middleweight belt should represent the best fighter at 160 pounds. Not a 155 pound weight class that Canelo seems hell bent on creating. GGG doesn't have to bend to Canelo. He's the number #1 contender for the WBC middleweight world title. Its either fight GGG or be stripped. GGG is fighting Wade because Wade the #1 contender for the IBF belt that GGG won in October. He was going to fight Johnson but he hurt his shoulder. GGG-FMJ at 154 would actually be in a real division and not for the middleweight belt.
I get it man, but GGG will have to bend to Canelo if he ever wants to fight him either in weight, or in the money split, he'll have to some way, its the perks of being the bigger name..you get to make demands and the others have to either agree or go take another fight. They were saying they'd strip canelo back in october, even gave him a deadline, WBC (based in Mexico) aint gonna do that to one of the most popular fighters right now and hometown hero though..they just won't. I think the offer was a bluff and a way to get around that deadline and justifying not getting stripped ("I offered the fight GGG didn't accept" etc)..so what I'm saying is GGG should call his bluff, do it, make some money and become an even bigger name.
I really think GGG can outbox him..Canelo is a tough fighter but he mostly bullies people. Gotta see them next to each other to know for sure though..GGG could even knock him out
Ashley is just flat out not a very good fighter.
Broner has talent. He's probably not quite as talented as some say but he has some tools. He's not as fast as some say but he has good hand speed and his power hasn't carried very well. I think his biggest assets are his toughness and strength. He needs to start walking guys down letting his hands go.
With that said Bud,Postol,Provo,and Matty all knock his dumb ass out. He might go the distance with Postol but would take a beating
Agreed 100 times over.
The middleweight title hasn't been defended at 160 since SGM/Murray, almost exactly 3 years ago. Ridiculous.
SGM/Cotto - catchweight
Cotto/Geale - catchweight
Cotto/Canelo - catchweight
Canelo/Kahn - catchweight
And now you have GGG, a guy who has been the consensus #1 MW in the world for a couple of years now, and a fucking WW is getting a shot at the linear title before him. Khan is leapfrogging the 154lb division all together and fighting for the linear 160lb strap and the consensus #1 MW can't get any of these guys in the ring with him. Shameful.
Next we'll see Floyd come out of retirement and win and defend a heavyweight title at a 150lb catchweight. Fuckin boxing.
Shit like that hurts boxing. Another thing is it's really hard to explain to a casual how in boxing in every weight you have 4 different belts with possibly 4 different guys claiming to be world champion. Just about every top guy doesn't want to fight anyone. Then you have the network problems and then weight it's just one god damn thing after another with boxing
True. It has introduced an interesting dynamic though where fans/media have taken back the power and are deciding themselves who is the #1 in each division, and the court of public opinion means so much more than in other sports.
Canelo and Adonis Stevenson are the linear champions of their divisions, but nobody buys Canelo as the best MW and nobody buys Adonis as the #1 LHW in the world.
But for a casual fan who doesn't follow closely, it really kills it. Too many belts, too many weight divisions. Bring back one champion per division and have only 8 divisions - Heavy, Light Heavy, Middleweight, Welterweight, Lightweight, Featherweight, Bantamweight, Flyweight. That's all you need. The tweeners can decide if they want to move down or up.
Canelo and Adonis Stevenson are the linear champions of their divisions, but nobody buys Canelo as the best MW and nobody buys Adonis as the #1 LHW in the world.
But for a casual fan who doesn't follow closely, it really kills it. Too many belts, too many weight divisions. Bring back one champion per division and have only 8 divisions - Heavy, Light Heavy, Middleweight, Welterweight, Lightweight, Featherweight, Bantamweight, Flyweight. That's all you need. The tweeners can decide if they want to move down or up.
Yeah their for sure should only be one belt per division and no catchweights for world titles. Now with the junior divisions vs. the classic divisions I can see both sides because boxing is a little bit different where we've seen guys turn pro at 15 or 16(Canelo was 15)so guys are still growing and junior weight classes might be necessary. I should've been more clear on that. Like Canelo pick a fucking weight class. 54 or 60. He actually would probably have a better chance of beating GGG at a full 160 pounds. It'd help with his stamina and ability to take a punch. Which his chin has been granite so far but the more weight you cut the easier it is to be KO'd
Back to the weight classes
Like a Ricky Hatton would've been dead on the scale at 35 but was small at 47. At 140 he was perfect. It would've been better he didn't ballon up to 200 though
I'd pick GGG via stoppage late. A body puncher like Golovkin vs. a guy with stamina issue