Society Car plows into antifa during white nationalist protest of statue being removed

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stielar

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Actually he drove his car into the back of another car if you look at the video Leigh. And then there was a chain reaction and folks went flying off of the front of the car he hit.

I mean I will watch it again but I'm pretty sure that's what I saw.
Objectively speaking, he drove that car into the crowd. He obviously wanted to hurt people. That doesn't make him a terrorist though. He was taking part in war at that moment.
 

megatherium

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Objectively speaking, he drove that car into the crowd. He obviously wanted to hurt people. That doesn't make him a terrorist though. He was taking part in war at that moment.
It looked to me like he rear ended another car. There may have been someone sandwiched in between though, it looks like when he backed up maybe here was a body dragging from his bumper. But I can't really tell. But he smashed the fuck out of his own car.
 

Leigh

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Objectively speaking, he drove that car into the crowd. He obviously wanted to hurt people. That doesn't make him a terrorist though. He was taking part in war at that moment.
Hmm, fair point. I removed my rating.
 

megatherium

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Yeah, the first point of contact seems to be with the car he rammed directly in front of him. I've looked at it enough now. Nothing changes for me.

It looked like they might have been climbing on top of the car ahead of him and were sent flying.

It doesn't matter anyway, homicidal nazi psychos on the rampage is the firmly established narrative now and it isn't likely to change. And it was all somehow enabled by Trump.
 

IschKabibble

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Same as any other definition for an act.
In the court of public opinion? Prosecute them similarly? I just fail to see the point of labeling him a terrorist. He's a criminal. He's a murderer. He's a piece of shit.

But what purpose does labeling anyone a terrorist serve?
 

TalkingLeaf

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I don't like violence by anyone and if a white supremisist group wants to gather so be it, let them do it peacefully. If a counter protest wants to gather so be it. Violence should not be condoned or excused by either side.

That said, I have a hard time equalizing these groups. White supremacists, kkk groups, and nazis represent a far sinister group with a long history of violence towards American ideals. Any law abiding, american loving true patriot would have no problem denouncing their very existence.

The existence of the counter protest is not something to denounce, it is something to applaud. Violence committed by the counter protest group should be denounced, but not their very existence. That's a big difference.
 

silentsinger

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Yeah, the first point of contact seems to be with the car he rammed directly in front of him. I've looked at it enough now. Nothing changes for me.

It looked like they might have been climbing on top of the car ahead of him and were sent flying.

It doesn't matter anyway, homicidal nazi psychos on the rampage is the firmly established narrative now and it isn't likely to change. And it was all somehow enabled by Trump.
This somehow enabled. Have you read about the gun related road rage incidents soaring? If I'm wrong I'd love to hear that.
 

Leigh

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In the court of public opinion? Prosecute them similarly? I just fail to see the point of labeling him a terrorist. He's a criminal. He's a murderer. He's a piece of shit.

But what purpose does labeling anyone a terrorist serve?
Objectively, intent is used when judging people for killing. First degree, second degree, manslaughter, hate crime etc.
 

Gay For Longo

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He doesn't have to specifically name people responsible; he can't if he doesn't know. But don't call out EVERYONE. Call out the people who did it.
But how do you call them out if you don't know who they are
He blamed hate which was exactly what he should have done imo

This stupid hatefullness from both sides has been escalating and something like this was bound to happen
He should have called both sides out before it got to this point
 

megatherium

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This somehow enabled. Have you read about the gun related road rage incidents soaring? If I'm wrong I'd love to hear that.
Okay I get it now. so some kind of Trumpian white male rage is a thing now is it?

I don't believe it. That's a very silly notion you're forwarding.
 

silentsinger

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I'm not sure I'm following but let's continue on.
30% rise according to (I apologise for FAKE NEWS apparently) but ABC said during the last year.

I'm a bitch on the road, but it's made me think differently about come backs when people cut me up on the I280.
 

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30% rise according to (I apologise for FAKE NEWS apparently) but ABC said during the last year.

I'm a bitch on the road, but it's made me think differently about come backs when people cut me up on the I280.
Oh man, road rage is pretty crazy where I am too. I happen to live in the most congested city in North America. I just think he's been in office for such a short period of time that it it's a very short measuring stick. And I find the idea itself bizarre personally.
 

silentsinger

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Oh man, road rage is pretty crazy where I am too. I happen to live in the most congested city in North America. I just think he's been in office for such a short period of time that it it's a very short measuring stick. And I find the idea itself bizarre personally.
How big's your stick, petal?
 

Gay For Longo

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I don't like violence by anyone and if a white supremisist group wants to gather so be it, let them do it peacefully. If a counter protest wants to gather so be it. Violence should not be condoned or excused by either side.

That said, I have a hard time equalizing these groups. White supremacists, kkk groups, and nazis represent a far sinister group with a long history of violence towards American ideals. Any law abiding, american loving true patriot would have no problem denouncing their very existence.

The existence of the counter protest is not something to denounce, it is something to applaud. Violence committed by the counter protest group should be denounced, but not their very existence. That's a big difference.
Violence from both should be denounced

Beliefs and opinions without harming anyone else should be allowed
Even if I hate a viewpoint, they should have the right to have that opinion