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General 11th September 20 years on.
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Go watch the 25th hour
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Bin Laden most definitely did win.
His goals were to suck America into quagmire wars to weaken it and embolden the global jihad movement, which was absolutely achieved.
I've heard this talking point that Bin Laden 'failed' because there isn't a global caliphate yet. He never thought he would live to see that, so it's idiotic to claim he failed on that basis. The demented fuck was given exactly what he wanted.
Bin Laden wanted American support of Israel to end and said he was going to fuck with America until that happened. He's dead and that still hasn't happened. He lost.
A moronic take, but I would expect nothing less.
The actual Bin Laden, not the fantasy version that exists in the minds of idiots, was as strategically sophisticated as he was a committed zealot. He was playing the long game, to put it mildly.
America did exactly what he wanted it to do and suffered the short-term consequences he expected it to. That's not beating him.
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I always wondered what the alternative universe of killing a bin laden during the Battle of Tora Bora would be.
Would bush et al just say we still need to go into Afghanistan for regime change to prevent the next bin laden?
Or would such a fast kill undermine the political ability to proceed since the nation's bloodlust Would have been satisfied
I realize he was playing a long game. His long goal was the get the west out of the middle east, he didn't care about America specifically only their constant meddling. It's not a secret, he made a declaration of war and everything. You might want to look it up before you start making up unnecessarily complicated explanations for why he did what he did and then calling other people idiots.
When you acknowledge that they could have caught Bin Laden on multiple occassions the answer becomes fairly clear.
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"They hate our freedom!!!"
When you remember that at some point most Americans believed that Saddam Hussein was involved in 9/11 and that formed part of the justification for starting an entirely new war, then I don't think it's hard to guess the answer.
Americans love a good marketing campaign.
They actually offered to handover Osama Prior to 9/11 and a month after 9/11 ...both times rejected by the Bush Admin.
Taliban Offer to Detain and Try bin Laden Rejected by U.S. (Published 2001)
The United States today rejected an offer by Afghanistan's ruling Taliban to try Muslim militant Osama bin Laden under Islamic law, saying he must be handed over to the United States.
Bush rejects Taliban offer to hand Bin Laden over
9.30pm update: * Taliban demand evidence of Bin Laden's guilt * Second week of airstrikes starts * Taliban urges US to halt bombing
www.theguardian.com
View: https://twitter.com/TarmoJuntunen/status/1570783926981107712
Still haven't seen a fire collapse a building like it did on 9/11...
Building 7 remains the smoking gun....
For some reason many people still can't see through the veil
How many of the building fires have been a result of being hit by a commercial airliner?
Building 7 was not hit by a commercial airliner.
It was hit by debris from a following tower. Again, not really a common occurrence.