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sparkuri

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"You're wrong...and even if you are right, you're still wrong"
Try again.


off, it's available. Secondly, You've apparently missed the judges decree related to military requiring vaccines that states the label is not what makes it FDA approved. It simply has to be made in FDA approved facilities and created at any time after the FDA approval.

Since when?
Where is it available @Splinty ?
The package insert wasn't even released by the FDA until 2 weeks ago and you're telling me it's available?

Prove it; shouldn't be hard.
 
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Try again.





Since when?
Where is it available @Splinty ?
The package insert wasn't even released by the FDA until 2 weeks ago and you're telling me it's available?

Prove it; shouldn't be hard.

Once again your armchair lawyering something you don't seem to understand. Even though there's a judges decree out there. The labeling is not what makes it the product. The labeling is not what makes it FDA approved. This is just vaccine sovereign citizen arguments.

Feel free to search my or filthy's post history related to the topic. Sometime over the last weekend.
Every vial made at FDA approved plants As of the time of the FDA approval and forward is the FDA approved product regardless of label both scientifically and legally.
 

Filthy

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First off, it's available. Secondly, You've apparently missed the judges decree related to military requiring vaccines that states the label is not what makes it FDA approved. It simply has to be made in FDA approved facilities and created at any time after the FDA approval.





"You're wrong...and even if you are right, you're still wrong"

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCbohvmiigY


FDA approved.

LoL
 

sparkuri

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Once again your armchair lawyering something you don't seem to understand. Even though there's a judges decree out there. The labeling is not what makes it the product. The labeling is not what makes it FDA approved. This is just vaccine sovereign citizen arguments.

Feel free to search my or filthy's post history related to the topic. Sometime over the last weekend.
Every vial made at FDA approved plants As of the time of the FDA approval and forward is the FDA approved product regardless of label both scientifically and legally.
"Once again armchair lawyering"?
Did you just morph into CMNH?

Once again we have to re-hash facts.

Pfizer and the FDA, as they've been doing for decades, purposely mislead everyone.
They deceived, same as always.
They proclaimed an "FDA approved vaccine" to garner trust among the public under the Pfizer name.
We went over this months ago, and again you haven't done your due diligence.



You used this same approach of lackadaisical research when I provided you with combinant "vaccine" contestants being secretly proxy mailed through the NIH to Moderna, Fauci, and the criminal conspirators in December of 2019, before the CDC & NIH made the White House aware of the outbreak.
Rather than seeing the point, you reasoned that the vaccine code was not that of any created vaccines and dismissed the "conspiracy".
If you were an investigator that performance wouldn't have made Watson's assistant's assistant glance twice at your resume.
To quote Matt Hughes. "That's 101 stuff".

THE LABEL has nothing to do with FDA approval, the point is the FDA submits the label upon request BEFORE the "vaccine" is available.
That happened 2 weeks ago.




So as far as "lawyering", maybe this district judge can guide you to an understanding.




^^^^

What can you surmise from Comirnaty not being interchangeable with Pfizer's EUA "vaccine"?
That as I told you months ago they're different ?
And Pfizer's filing to withhold information for 55 years?


Bayer did this after WW2 @Splinty .

There's a catastrophic issue psychologically in the first world to pit experience vs. popular opinion.
As I've said before, you could learn alot by really studying what happened at the turn of the 19th century with pharmaceuticals & beyond, as well as the truth behind the polio, measles, smallpox vaccines.
And more recently with the "HIV-AIDS epidemic", and our favorite rat bastard Fauci with AZT, and his "relationship" with remdesivir and a thousand other meds.
People are dead from exposing what you should know.
 
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So as far as "lawyering", maybe this district judge can guide you to an understanding.



^^^^

What can you surmise from Comirnaty not being interchangeable with Pfizer's EUA "vaccine"?
That as I told you months ago they're different ?
And Pfizer's filing to withhold information for 55 years?

Look you found it. Now. Actually go read the entire brief like I did so you can see that what I'm typing is right
 

Filthy

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Once again your armchair lawyering something you don't seem to understand. Even though there's a judges decree out there. The labeling is not what makes it the product. The labeling is not what makes it FDA approved. This is just vaccine sovereign citizen arguments.

Feel free to search my or filthy's post history related to the topic. Sometime over the last weekend.
Every vial made at FDA approved plants As of the time of the FDA approval and forward is the FDA approved product regardless of label both scientifically and legally.
you haven't seen the science that "approved" the vaccine.

no one has.

it'll take 55 years to see it.
 

Filthy

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You're changing the conversation.
i'm not discrediting what you're saying about judge/decree/et al.

i'm just pointing out that none of us have seen the data that met all the legal requirements for approval.

as someone who works in regulatory with FedGov, i can't imagine it happening like it "should" happen - and even when it happens like it "should" happen, they get it wrong and recall about a third of the drugs anyway.

(i don't do anything related to Pharma, maybe i'm way off on their process...but it seems like it should be really stringent, seeing that they use it to justify price-gouging)
 
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i'm not discrediting what you're saying about judge/decree/et al.
But that's the only conversation I'm in here. If you believe that the FDA process is so flawed, then don't sign up for the military that legally requires you to take certain FDA approved vaccines. That was the origin of this entire conversation.
 

Filthy

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But that's the only conversation I'm in here. If you believe that the FDA process is so flawed, then don't sign up for the military that legally requires you to take certain FDA approved vaccines. That was the origin of this entire conversation.
when i signed up for the military, "FDA approved" meant that the vaccines had gone through rigorous clinical trials.

now it means that someone at FDA-Pfizer stamped it.
 

sparkuri

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Look you found it. Now. Actually go read the entire brief like I did so you can see that what I'm typing is right
What you're typing is irrelevant.

This is what a dicktuck looks like.

You claim Comirnaty is available, I ask you to prove it, you can't.

You resort to take an argument to military sentiments and requirements.

There is no FDA-approved vaccine available, period.


You claimed "militaries have been taking vaccines since George Washington".

And?
 
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when i signed up for the military, "FDA approved" meant that the vaccines had gone through rigorous clinical trials.

now it means that someone at FDA-Pfizer stamped it.
Let's be clear about what's allowed in the military...

You are not old enough to predate the biothrax vaccination to my knowledge. That process started before FDA approval. That is 25 years ago a week gave a non FDA Approved vaccine to soldiers That was then later approved.

On top of this, every single vaccine can be overridden with a single executive order including non FDA approved vaccines.

Historic precedent was set with George Washington mandating inoculation.
In this century, there is legal precedent out of the anthrax arguments that the president can override and force any vaccination he or she wants of the military.

Don't take the government cheese if you're not ready to follow orders.
 

sparkuri

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But that's the only conversation I'm in here. If you believe that the FDA process is so flawed, then don't sign up for the military that legally requires you to take certain FDA approved vaccines. That was the origin of this entire conversation.

Lol, NOW it is.


That's like saying "if you can't agree to the arbitration laid out by your cellphone carrier, don't get a cellphone".

Might makes right Splint, it shouldn't & you shouldn't be taking that position.
It's diametrically opposed to your hippocratic oath.
So I'd say to you in the same vane(ha!), "Don't join the military if you can't stand by your hippocratic oath"


 

Filthy

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Let's be clear about what's allowed in the military...

You are not old enough to predate the biothrax vaccination to my knowledge. That process started before FDA approval. That is 25 years ago a week gave a non FDA Approved vaccine to soldiers That was then later approved.

On top of this, every single vaccine can be overridden with a single executive order including non FDA approved vaccines.

Historic precedent was set with George Washington mandating inoculation.
In this century, there is legal precedent out of the anthrax arguments that the president can override and force any vaccination he or she wants of the military.

Don't take the government cheese if you're not ready to follow orders.
i guess i'm older than I look. I enlisted in 96

EDIT - but I didn't get anthrax vaccine until my last deployment in 99.
 
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You resort to take an argument to military sentiments and requirements.
I've done. No such thing. It's actually what I started with as you see here...



And to which you originally responded.
 

Filthy

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@Splinty - i'm not arguing that the authority doesn't exist.

"The needs of the Air Force come first."

but I'm going to keep pointing out that there's nothing typical about the approval process of this "approved" vaccine.
 
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Lol, NOW it is.


That's like saying "if you can't agree to the arbitration laid out by your cellphone carrier, don't get a cellphone".

Might makes right Splint, it shouldn't & you shouldn't be taking that position.
It's diametrically opposed to your hippocratic oath.
So I'd say to you in the same vane(ha!), "Don't join the military if you can't stand by your hippocratic oath"



As an inherent part of swearing into the volunteer military you give up certain rights. The beauty of it being a volunteer force is that you don't have to join it.

The ability to refuse a vaccine is only one of a few things that you're giving up.
 
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I literally can't find it, and literally the judge doesn't agree with you.

I'll pull it for you when I'm not on mobile. It's too hard to screenshot or reference here.
It's an extended walking through the complaints against the military and why they're not justified if the vaccine mandate meets the criteria for FDA approval.
And it they explain that there are FDA approved files labeled with EUA labeling. Labeling is not the item that makes the scientific or legal difference.
It is creation FDA approved facility and the judge states that it cannot be made retroactive before the date of FDA approval.
The judge states that the military has not shown the defendants that the vials they are getting are linked to those facilities And as such, the defendants can refuse at that time. However, this can be immediately overwritten by the military simply using a vial, even an EUA labeled viral, That meets the definitions above as FDA approved drug.