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sparkuri

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Those still standing by the MSM aka STATE media narrative in the face of truth disturb me.
If The Great Barrington Declaration were propagated by the State Media signatures would increase exponentially, and they already sit notably high; over half a million commonfolk & 40,000 medical & public health practitioners, professionals & scientists.
The whistle has blown, the plandemic plainly exposed.

I was right in the beginning in a zealous alarm, and I've been right in my re-adjustments along the way hingent upon the data.

I'm not seeing so much adjustment, rather, stubbornness according to politics, while State media passes the title of politicizing sicknesses to the "sides" who've adjusted properly.

Dr. Cris Martinson did a video early on regarding this phenomenon called "poor adjustment reaction".

The populace is virtue-signalling on premises based on thrones of lies, while the most at-risk among us are pleading with them to heed their wisdom, in vain.
What a tragedy this has become.
As I suspected from the beginning, Far worse than the sickness itself.
 

Splinty

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February....and still largely accurate sparkuri @sparkuri



Probably about 1% in more modern medical systems currently and even less as protocols get kicked in.

I think we should take it seriously from a public health standpoint. If I could stop a new flu, I would. If I could delay it long enough to develop vaccines and use the health system in a serial manner (instead of overloading parallel) I would.
That's where we are at. The economic cost of prevention is high but you only get one chance to contain.
Third party experts all seem to think this is here to stay and to just plan for it to be endemic like flu. However, many global policy experts are still in containment mode and feel this could be stopped before that happens.
I'm a clinician, not a public health expert. But I do think this is one of the paradoxical things that is relatively low risk like flu at the individual level but major red alert if you're at the policy making level.
Roughly 1% mortality rate. 5% severe illness rate. 80+ % mild.
Hard to compare due to rudimentary health systems but we are seeing that kind of rate in S korea that is the largest outbreak with a modern response. Also limited data as too new and too fe cases. So response is probably not optimal like flu.

Other challenge is that every covid 19 case is gonna be hospitalized right now because we don't know anything yet. That wouldn't happen with flu and eventually that won't happen with this. Hospitalization rates etc are all skewed due to public health protocols not necessarily medical need for that patient.

Under 40 covid 19 is very low mortality...prob about 0.2%. flu is 0.05-0.1% in the same group. But again, that's in a vaccinated population with testing and healthcare response.

Over that age number go up fast and especially in over 70.
Flu infection kills little kids. Covid 19 doesn't seem to. So it's not just mortality but age and med problems ahead of time.
 

sparkuri

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February....and still largely accurate sparkuri @sparkuri
1. It is far more virulent
2. I was going on current data, and it was accurate.
3. Immunity & new data changes the IFR & CFR.
Position has to change with it to be true.


You quoted things that were true then, and aren't now.

It's the intellectual equivalent of quoting someone who says "precipitation is essential for crops", then retorting six months later with "you say that, but all my crops are frozen and destroyed".
 

Splinty

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1. It is far more virulent
2. I was going on current data, and it was accurate.
3. Immunity & new data changes the IFR & CFR.
Position has to change with it to be true.


You quoted things that were true then, and aren't now.

It's the intellectual equivalent of quoting someone who says "precipitation is essential for crops", then retorting six months later with "you say that, but all my crops are frozen and destroyed".

You stated...

As I suspected from the beginning
You have significantly changed your characterization of this virus.

In fact the only thing that's been true at that time is the mainstream science I was posting and continue to post that suggested that a great majority of us are not under much threat of this virus but it poses a major public health threat. I can go find my post from the CDC doctor on mortality estimates in march which are within fractions of a percent of the current death estimates. but more importantly the same trends are seen. Very low risk for most of us and very high risk for those with preexisting conditions and older people. This has been very consistent. While that should have been the conversation this thread has been mired in 5G bio weapons and hydroxychloriquine fellating.

My gripe in February as above is that this thread was used for panic and misinformation. It appears now that you are attacking the straw man that you built during that period.

There's been consistent data from mainstream science since that time. And it's born out to be accurate. Even as you suggest while changing course that you are once again on the right side of truth.

Fringe conspiracy theory and politicians have made sure that this is maximally muddled with poor messaging. And while I would accept just about anybody attacking the shit storm of misinformation that has come their way, I feel like highlighting the fact that you have done a 180 here on threat but are still attacking the consistent facts. Just from the opposite side... Same data. The virus was once way more dangerous. But now you state that it's much less dangerous. The data didn't change.
 

Splinty

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I was going on current data, and it was accurate.

You argued with me posting direct information from an infectious disease doctor in February. You disregarded a formally trained infectious disease doctor.

Click this post and read...

Sitting in a conference on covid-19 updates right now.

Will post some take home messages in a bit.

You can't tell me how you were going with current data while constantly holding onto fringe voices and accusing mainstream science of being wrong. And now, look back and state how science is so wrong when you reject it the whole time.

You rejected the CDC, which found a 0.6% fatality rate or lower ever since the cruise ship was studied in March 2020. This was in line with February 2020 S Korea numbers of 0.5%.


It's one thing to talk about confusion in January or before with China as the only case study.
But In February, there was data known that you rejected. And in March the same. And so forth and so forth.
And since then, the data has been very clear and continues to be the same of who is at high risk and who is low risk.

Back then you had people prepping and buying over priced masks. Now you have people taking no precautions except vit D and zinc or whatever.

It was dangerous then, it's dangerous now.
 

sparkuri

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You stated...



You have significantly changed your characterization of this virus.

In fact the only thing that's been true at that time is the mainstream science I was posting and continue to post that suggested that a great majority of us are not under much threat of this virus but it poses a major public health threat. I can go find my post from the CDC doctor on mortality estimates in march which are within fractions of a percent of the current death estimates. but more importantly the same trends are seen. Very low risk for most of us and very high risk for those with preexisting conditions and older people. This has been very consistent. While that should have been the conversation this thread has been mired in 5G bio weapons and hydroxychloriquine fellating.

My gripe in February as above is that this thread was used for panic and misinformation. It appears now that you are attacking the straw man that you built during that period.

There's been consistent data from mainstream science since that time. And it's born out to be accurate. Even as you suggest while changing course that you are once again on the right side of truth.

Fringe conspiracy theory and politicians have made sure that this is maximally muddled with poor messaging. And while I would accept just about anybody attacking the shit storm of misinformation that has come their way, I feel like highlighting the fact that you have done a 180 here on threat but are still attacking the consistent facts. Just from the opposite side... Same data. The virus was once way more dangerous. But now you state that it's much less dangerous. The data didn't change.
Like, everything here practically is untrue.
I'm jaw dropped over here.

The only point I'll address is 5g, as I made a separate thread for theories.
It started on Princess cruises(5g tech, Raytheon phased mm array) and Wuhan, the roll out city for 5g late October, supplied coincidentally by Italy, who made the largest telecom deal in world history, than banned Huawei. Then were devastated by COVID-19.
The other hard hits were Iranian generals who "allegedly" toured Wuhan lab while visiting for the World military games.

This is what I said while you wouldn't acknowledge the significance of the event, or pin the thread, calling it:
"the stupidest pin in the history of the internet".

I've got a day to live, and see no benefit from re-hashing.
My boss says love one another.
 

ThatOneDude

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In your opinion, looking at where we are now (remembering America's position isn't unique) what you advise governments be doing?
Splinty @Splinty, I'll handle this turd.

Wash your hands, wear your masks, eat outside, stay away from too many people for 18 months. That's it motherfuckers. Oh, and tell your reps to fund some goddamned tests so we can get these fucking masks off!
 

Splinty

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In your opinion, looking at where we are now (remembering America's position isn't unique) what you advise governments be doing?


Basically the same shit that's been advised since the Spring.

-More testing.

-Phased reopening with top down guidance (Houston and S Dakota and NYC are all very different at difference phases but you can't create entirely different politically motivated plans for different areas). You look at resources, you look at case spread, you phase a reopening as long as you can manage it. Sometimes you back up because people aren't doing their part. Emphasize doing the individual stuff instead of chaos messaging.

-Continue studies on death vs economic damage to adjust those phases. As you killed off 240k of the most vulnerable, you've removed those people from the threat pool. Good or bad, that lowers threat pool. Likewise, natural spread of the virus will slow and again that changes dynamics of risk taking for resource allocation. That is, if the virus slow due to natural dynamics, you can factor in a smaller resource reserve because the wave won't come as fast as it did in the Spring (or Summer in Texas).

This is very different from current reluctant and subpar testing strategy (U.S. needs 193 million Covid-19 tests per month, report says ) and...from the fed kicking to the governors who kick to the cities who kick to the businesses who kick to the employee.

And above all, consistent messaging.
It's not the end of the world. But it is a big threat that can be managed and infectious disease requires a singular direction. Not people coughing on each other to show how much they can't be controlled or whatever. Not the president undermining his scientists. Get in a room. Clarify the plan of risk taking you think we should do based on data, and lets get to it.

We have some real hard questions to answer about a 50 year old teacher going into a classroom of 13 year olds, 25% of which live with their grand parents. My singular opinion on that tough microcosm isn't the point. The point is that there isn't a unified voice from leadership -- 'Ok we are/aren't sending kids back. Those with high risk family situations will...????" It's just ad hoc managed at the local level with no data and no resources.
 

Qat

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Splinty @Splinty, I'll handle this turd.

Wash your hands, wear your masks, eat outside, stay away from too many people for 18 months. That's it motherfuckers. Oh, and tell your reps to fund some goddamned tests so we can get these fucking masks off!
Shadow world government confirmed.
 

Freeloading Rusty

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U.S. reports highest number of new coronavirus case since late July as total climbs above 8 million

  • The United States reported more than 69,000 new coronavirus cases on Friday, bringing the country’s total count to over 8 million reported cases, according to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University.
  • The last time the U.S. reported a daily count that high was in late July as the coronavirus swept through Sun Belt states.
  • The surge in cases comes as infectious disease experts warn the U.S. could face a “substantial third wave” of infections this winter.
 

Inside Job

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U.S. reports highest number of new coronavirus case since late July as total climbs above 8 million

  • The United States reported more than 69,000 new coronavirus cases on Friday, bringing the country’s total count to over 8 million reported cases, according to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University.
  • The last time the U.S. reported a daily count that high was in late July as the coronavirus swept through Sun Belt states.
  • The surge in cases comes as infectious disease experts warn the U.S. could face a “substantial third wave” of infections this winter.
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