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Splinty

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Zeph said:
This will likely mean that he will have a harder time getting everything he wants passed, but his longevity in the senate as well as mixing experienced people around him and the grassroots policy advocate groups that make up his campaign he will be able to get some stuff passed.
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Honest assessment, not a wish list, what do you think he can actually get through and where do you think he'll have to compromise the most?


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It should also be noted that much like the republican party saw the way the winds were turning in regards to Trump there will be a similar effect within the dems after this primary campaign.
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What's that mean?
Trump holds a bully pulpit but I don't think a trump 2.0 will ever happen in my lifetime. Plenty of GOP hate him but fall line out of political calculation of not being the first to leave the hive mind.
Trumps campaign policies were vacuous and that was part of the appeal. But that blank slate has been replaced with a poorly design hodge podge of unpopular social and financial choices that would almost all fail a vote if offered as a single item.

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As for what he will try to do as president then you only have to look to what he has said consistently over his 30 year career. Which is help working class people, fight for equality, and tackle the climate emergency.
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Yeah but what gets through? Trump said the same things for 30 years and I'm still waiting for that infrastructure bill he promised.

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. People may not like Bernie's agenda but even his fiercest critics believe he's sincere about it.
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Pete's lack of experience in getting things through the machine is a knock on him. Grandpa Biden at least shows his hand on how hell work the washington machine.

Interestingly, if your answer is, "yeah Bernie won't be able to go full socialist of course..." That's probably an attractive statement to the detractors. But frankly I'm fatigued in the political analysis of figuring out the calculus of which alliances will result in throughput and reading between the lines on where a candidate is signaling willingness to compromise.
 
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Splinty said:
Honest assessment, not a wish list, what do you think he can actually get through and where do you think he'll have to compromise the most?
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I don't have the political experience or knowledge to know where he will compromise the most.
What's that mean?
Trump holds a bully pulpit but I don't think a trump 2.0 will ever happen in my lifetime. Plenty of GOP hate him but fall line out of political calculation of not being the first to leave the hive mind.
Trumps campaign policies were vacuous and that was part of the appeal. But that blank slate has been replaced with a poorly design hodge podge of unpopular social and financial choices that would almost all fail a vote if offered as a single item.
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What that means is that the never Trumpers are nowhere to been seen anymore, because the legislators mostly fell in line with what Trump and the base wanted to do or they would lose their seats. The same effect will happen to dem legislators. Many will fall in line with what Bernie and the progressive wing of the party want or they will be primaried in the coming years and lose their seats. Some will fight to the end because their funding depends on it. Regardless that will help Bernie get things passed.

Yeah but what gets through? Trump said the same things for 30 years and I'm still waiting for that infrastructure bill he promised.
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I'm not a fortune teller.

Pete's lack of experience in getting things through the machine is a knock on him. Grandpa Biden at least shows his hand on how hell work the washington machine.
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Biden has a long history of passing terrible legislation. I'd rather no history than a bad history.
Interestingly, if your answer is, "yeah Bernie won't be able to go full socialist of course..." That's probably an attractive statement to the detractors. But frankly I'm fatigued in the political analysis of figuring out the calculous of which alliances will result in throughput and reading between the lines on where a candidate is signaling willingness to compromise.
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Bernie's platform is a long way from full socialist anyway. It's milquetoast social democracy for the most part. He won't get all of it passed - what president has managed to accomplish their full manifesto?
 
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I mean... Say what you will about Ortega and the Sandinistas but they also did a lot of very good things since 79 to help the people and slow inflation. Literacy programs, etc.

I may be going there in April to build a gym in Granada.
 
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Thuglife13 said:
Cardiology director says there’s one heart measure Sanders could disclose but isn’t
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I already knew they were going to say ejection fraction. And I still think that releasing that would just be taken out of context just like an entire article acting as if that's some specific measure that is being hidden in order gives a lot of information without all the other context.

EF often recovers with medication after stenting. That can take a long time and putting out a single number means nothing more than the rest. This is just noise.
 
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Splinty said:
I already knew they were going to say ejection fraction. And I still think that releasing that would just be taken out of context just like an entire article acting as if that's some specific measure that is being hidden in order gives a lot of information without all the other context.

EF often recovers with medication after stenting. That can take a long time and putting out a single number means nothing more than the rest. This is just noise.
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Good stuff. In all honesty I really don't think releasing your complete medical history and tax records should be mandatory in my humble opinion. I do think a heart attack is a huge thing though. If Trump had a heart attack during any period of his Presidency I'd say he shouldn't continue...
 
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Thuglife13 said:
In all honesty I really don't think releasing your complete medical history and tax records
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I get kind of mixed on this. I think generally I don't support the releasing of health information as a requirement de facto or otherwise. It's very personal and it often misses a lot of context just saying a diagnosis or even what medication.
The reality is that not many people are running for president that are going to die in the next 4 years even with known cardiology problems.
A heart attack is serious, but still if he can continue campaigning for a year he can probably survive being in the office for 4 years as much as anyone. If Sanders is running around with an end-stage heart failure, he would probably quit anyways. He'd have an AICD if it was really bad and we would all know that.
There's just so much unknown that I would just trust the individual to not gamble their life if the office will kill them. they have a vested interest in surviving as much as I want them to as a voter.

On the other hand, on the surface of it I think I support tax return releasing. Things like charity contribution matters. But I think I could be convinced of the lack of utility on this maybe too.
 
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I'm kind of getting tired of this guy talking nonsense / lying and none of MSM fact checking this guy. He gets to lie and bullshit every day without being called on it much..constantly taking credit for shit he didnt do

 
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Democrats are fucking disgusting. It's all political maneuvering blame trump for something..anything..on social media..to try to make him look bad..instead of doing it professionally which wouldnt raise a red flag

 
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