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StillReal

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beating up people for sport is so so so much easier on my computer. :)
slightly less brain trauma too.


yeah i know ive looked into it in the past. i think think however if you do charge upwards of 1000 and allow more fighters in but not TOO much where it dilutes the training you can do well....2-3 per trainer could still be good...big sparring classes with fighters who have high ratings in said discipline help A LOT too...sometimes more so than trainers i believe. your gym is great cause of the 1 on 1 classes but because of the exclusivity your sparring classes will lack greatly and stunt development of fighters.....try allowing a lot more in and see how it goes before closing shop
I tried sparring last week and my fighters saw almost no gain from it. I tracked what their skill was at before and after the training sessions and it was a fraction of what I got out of 1 on 1 training with a coach. I've been trying to find someone to provide more clarity on how experienced managers train their fighters.

Have you had a better experience with it?
 

Judobill

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Just on a note, can someone list all the people from this forum who signed up to MMA Tycoon? I know a few of you asked me about the noob fund so if there is anyone I am missing I can send them on $50k also.

Also if it helps, I can send some cash from my own money to help you out with the gyms, but I would say you should charge $1k per week in order to have the gym lose less cash each week since it's easier to get money from the managers than it is from the fighters.
I will eventually get the fees up to 1k per week, I just don't want to spring it on them all at once :) Most of the guys in my gym are starting out and are cash poor right now. Hopefully that will change as we move up the ranks.
 

TheOutsiders

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slightly less brain trauma too.



I tried sparring last week and my fighters saw almost no gain from it. I tracked what their skill was at before and after the training sessions and it was a fraction of what I got out of 1 on 1 training with a coach. I've been trying to find someone to provide more clarity on how experienced managers train their fighters.

Have you had a better experience with it?
yeah if you have two fighters with 1 1/2 star in boxing sparring each you wont gain much from it....if youve got a session with 10-15 people and a few of them have 3 stars people will get better.
 
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Judobill

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slightly less brain trauma too.



I tried sparring last week and my fighters saw almost no gain from it. I tracked what their skill was at before and after the training sessions and it was a fraction of what I got out of 1 on 1 training with a coach. I've been trying to find someone to provide more clarity on how experienced managers train their fighters.

Have you had a better experience with it?
You need more sparing partners.
 

Judobill

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I was looking at the math because I've been trying to run a private gym, but I've been losing 50k a week because of it. There is no way to have truly elite classes that are really small and it still be a profitable. Gym's are really the worst business to open if you want to make a profit in my opinion. I might have to close mine in the coming weeks because of it.
If you do close it. Let me know and I will raise the cap of my gym to 50 and add 1 more coach. It's at 40 now and just about full.
 

Judobill

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Are any of you guys the manager Harry Smith? Fighter's name Harry Wilson?
 

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I've been trying to find someone to provide more clarity on how experienced managers train their fighters.
You hinting for me or something? ;) I'm just grabbing something to eat and then I'll post my Fighter Creation stuff up after
 

GBK16

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Alright this is how I make my fighters

Skills
1 Boxing , 110 Muay Thai , 10 Wrestling , 1 BJJ

110 Punches, Kicks and Clinchwork , 8 Takedown Defense , 1 in Everything Else

110 Conditioning , 78 Speed , 1 in Everything Else

Hiddens: Granite Chin , Big Heart , KO Power

Reasons

First off, when you are building an MMA fighter, the easiest build that works at the top level is a classic Sprawl and Brawl style fighter. This means you'll be looking at having Punches , Striking Defense , Clinchwork , Takedown Defense , Defensive Grappling and Transitions. This leaves you with space for other Secondaries. Some builds don't use Kicks, but I prefer having them since they give you more options on the feet for fighting.

Elbows and Knees in general aren't great apart from the lower levels of fighting and in KT. As such, you want them to be as low as possible so they don't take up points on your fighter. That's why you start with maximum Muay Thai and Clinchwork - Since training both will increase Elbows and Knees.

Training

So if you go with the above build, how I do the training for it is train up the secondaries I want (Striking Defense, Takedown Defense, Defensive Grappling and Transitions) up to Wonderful before I get their Physicals up to at least Wonderful / Exceptional. When you get to that point, you'll be able to walk through ID orgs pretty much while getting your Secondaries up to Sensational / Elite and your Physicals up to Elite. When they get to there, I start my guys on Sparring to get their Primaries up to the higher levels.
 

TheOutsiders

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ok so ive tried and im just not not good at event reviews...im better at previews but i just dont have have the skill to recap an event in the way some of you do (regular john)

and i cant afford the crazy pay for write ups at the moment....anyone willing to do post event write ups for 7k? just the main cards? will eventually raise and pay the prices bigger orgs do once we get there. i can do the previews, i just need help with post event write ups.
 

regular john

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Alright this is how I make my fighters

Skills
1 Boxing , 110 Muay Thai , 10 Wrestling , 1 BJJ

110 Punches, Kicks and Clinchwork , 8 Takedown Defense , 1 in Everything Else

110 Conditioning , 78 Speed , 1 in Everything Else

Hiddens: Granite Chin , Big Heart , KO Power

Reasons

First off, when you are building an MMA fighter, the easiest build that works at the top level is a classic Sprawl and Brawl style fighter. This means you'll be looking at having Punches , Striking Defense , Clinchwork , Takedown Defense , Defensive Grappling and Transitions. This leaves you with space for other Secondaries. Some builds don't use Kicks, but I prefer having them since they give you more options on the feet for fighting.

Elbows and Knees in general aren't great apart from the lower levels of fighting and in KT. As such, you want them to be as low as possible so they don't take up points on your fighter. That's why you start with maximum Muay Thai and Clinchwork - Since training both will increase Elbows and Knees.

Training

So if you go with the above build, how I do the training for it is train up the secondaries I want (Striking Defense, Takedown Defense, Defensive Grappling and Transitions) up to Wonderful before I get their Physicals up to at least Wonderful / Exceptional. When you get to that point, you'll be able to walk through ID orgs pretty much while getting your Secondaries up to Sensational / Elite and your Physicals up to Elite. When they get to there, I start my guys on Sparring to get their Primaries up to the higher levels.
Doesn't it take away some of the fun of the game when you get to the highest levels and everybody has got the same build/same skills/good hiddens and the fights come down to just a roll of the dice of the game engine? I see all the top fighters in the game are maxed out in all skills, all top managers use similar tactics...seems like a lot more fun down here at the noob levels...

anyway, like always, thanks for your input.
 

regular john

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ok so ive tried and im just not not good at event reviews...im better at previews but i just dont have have the skill to recap an event in the way some of you do (regular john)

and i cant afford the crazy pay for write ups at the moment....anyone willing to do post event write ups for 7k? just the main cards? will eventually raise and pay the prices bigger orgs do once we get there. i can do the previews, i just need help with post event write ups.
I'll be short on free time for the foreseeable future and my VIP trial just ended so it'll be tough to write reviews without stats and scorecards. I'll try to write a short recap from SFC 3 while I'm at work (lol), let's see what I can do...
 

StillReal

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ok so ive tried and im just not not good at event reviews...im better at previews but i just dont have have the skill to recap an event in the way some of you do (regular john)

and i cant afford the crazy pay for write ups at the moment....anyone willing to do post event write ups for 7k? just the main cards? will eventually raise and pay the prices bigger orgs do once we get there. i can do the previews, i just need help with post event write ups.
I used to write for an actual MMA site, so, I can do it if no one else is. I was going to before but regular john @regular john was doing such a good job though I just was sitting back and enjoying them.
 

GBK16

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Doesn't it take away some of the fun of the game when you get to the highest levels and everybody has got the same build/same skills/good hiddens and the fights come down to just a roll of the dice of the game engine? I see all the top fighters in the game are maxed out in all skills, all top managers use similar tactics...seems like a lot more fun down here at the noob levels...

anyway, like always, thanks for your input.
Each manager runs different sliders. That's why a lot of fights at the top level comes down purely to managerial skill, since it's similar fighters it will be down to who is the better manager. At the lower level, realistically a good manager will be able to win 95% of fights he has since his fighter will generally be good in hiddens and his skills will be good enough to compete. Different weight classes will have different builds that work for it also. At Heavyweight, you'll rarely find a fighter who is capable of fighting on the ground just cos it works better for them to strike, while at the lower levels you'll find more grapplers than pure strikers really. You can make builds work, you just gotta have the slider ability to work with them.
 

regular john

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Each manager runs different sliders. That's why a lot of fights at the top level comes down purely to managerial skill, since it's similar fighters it will be down to who is the better manager. At the lower level, realistically a good manager will be able to win 95% of fights he has since his fighter will generally be good in hiddens and his skills will be good enough to compete. Different weight classes will have different builds that work for it also. At Heavyweight, you'll rarely find a fighter who is capable of fighting on the ground just cos it works better for them to strike, while at the lower levels you'll find more grapplers than pure strikers really. You can make builds work, you just gotta have the slider ability to work with them.
Good points. Convinced me right away.

For training, what is the deal with sparring? When is it more effective than a small group session? When are your fighters "ready" for sparring and when is it best to hold back on it?
 

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I'll be short on free time for the foreseeable future and my VIP trial just ended so it'll be tough to write reviews without stats and scorecards. I'll try to write a short recap from SFC 3 while I'm at work (lol), let's see what I can do...
no worries man i know you dont have much time!
 

GBK16

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Good points. Convinced me right away.

For training, what is the deal with sparring? When is it more effective than a small group session? When are your fighters "ready" for sparring and when is it best to hold back on it?
Sparring works as long as you got people with good sparring worth in the sessions. There's 2 theories on the size of the sessions with some thinking you can have 5 at most before it gets divided and some feel you can have 9 people. Basically what happens is if you go over the cap, the people in the sessions will get divided into groups who spar with each other. So for instance if the Sparring Size Cap was 5 people, you could have 5 people in the class and they will all spar together and you'll get value for everyone, but if you have 6, they will be put into 2 groups of 3. The highest 3 people in terms of Sparring Worth will go together while the lowest 3 will go together, and so on.

Personally, I go with the 9 theory just cos I got a bunch of guys who need it :D So I have some fighters on my roster who are purely there to improve my sparring sessions and help my younger guys improve their Primaries through sparring (These fighters are called Spar Bots).

As far as when your fighter is ready to Spar. Personally I don't spar until my fighter's Secondaries are at the higher levels, just cos sparring will add unnecessary points and so I want them to have their skills already up there before points get wasted, since it will be harder to get them up with their Skill Cap being nearly done.

The one Sparring I will allow my younger guys to do is Boxing. Sparring something will also give small boosts to their related secondaries, like so:

Boxing - Punches, Striking Defense, Clinchwork

Muay Thai - Punches, Kicks, Elbows, Knees, Clinchwork, Striking Defense

Wrestling - Clinchwork, Takedowns, Takedown Defense, Ground and Pound, Defensive Grappling, Transitions, Escapes

Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu - Submissions, Defensive Grappling, Transitions, Escapes

*Note, may be additional in BJJ, not 100% sure*

So from the build I put above, Boxing will give you points in Punches, Striking Defense and Clinchwork - Skills I want my fighter to have. The rest meanwhile have skills I don't necessarily want my fighter to have. So I am okay with my younger guys doing Boxing sparring every so often, but I hold off on them doing Sparring the others until they are older. Also, I don't have them spar BJJ at all really since by just training their Defensive Grappling and Transitions, their BJJ will go up to Remarkable / Wonderful which gives them a Brown Belt which is good enough.
 

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Sparring works as long as you got people with good sparring worth in the sessions. There's 2 theories on the size of the sessions with some thinking you can have 5 at most before it gets divided and some feel you can have 9 people. Basically what happens is if you go over the cap, the people in the sessions will get divided into groups who spar with each other. So for instance if the Sparring Size Cap was 5 people, you could have 5 people in the class and they will all spar together and you'll get value for everyone, but if you have 6, they will be put into 2 groups of 3. The highest 3 people in terms of Sparring Worth will go together while the lowest 3 will go together, and so on.

Personally, I go with the 9 theory just cos I got a bunch of guys who need it :D So I have some fighters on my roster who are purely there to improve my sparring sessions and help my younger guys improve their Primaries through sparring (These fighters are called Spar Bots).

As far as when your fighter is ready to Spar. Personally I don't spar until my fighter's Secondaries are at the higher levels, just cos sparring will add unnecessary points and so I want them to have their skills already up there before points get wasted, since it will be harder to get them up with their Skill Cap being nearly done.

The one Sparring I will allow my younger guys to do is Boxing. Sparring something will also give small boosts to their related secondaries, like so:

Boxing - Punches, Striking Defense, Clinchwork

Muay Thai - Punches, Kicks, Elbows, Knees, Clinchwork, Striking Defense

Wrestling - Clinchwork, Takedowns, Takedown Defense, Ground and Pound, Defensive Grappling, Transitions, Escapes

Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu - Submissions, Defensive Grappling, Transitions, Escapes

*Note, may be additional in BJJ, not 100% sure*

So from the build I put above, Boxing will give you points in Punches, Striking Defense and Clinchwork - Skills I want my fighter to have. The rest meanwhile have skills I don't necessarily want my fighter to have. So I am okay with my younger guys doing Boxing sparring every so often, but I hold off on them doing Sparring the others until they are older. Also, I don't have them spar BJJ at all really since by just training their Defensive Grappling and Transitions, their BJJ will go up to Remarkable / Wonderful which gives them a Brown Belt which is good enough.

my head is spinning. haha ive been doing it all wrong apparently.
 

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Just officially join in on the madness already.
I want to man, and I definitely will soon but I have been buried for the past month. Between work, family, and projects around the house, I've barely had time to even log on here lately. Things should hopefully calm down in a couple week and then I'll jump in this.
 

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best i could whip up lol



SFC 4: Fautanua vs Brah (FW TITLE)


When: April 29th, 2017. 6pm local.

Where: The Underground - Sydney

How To Watch: Check your local cable listings.


SFC comes back at you live from the underground in Sydney for our 4th event. Featuring our inaugural featherweight title fight between Taulua Fautanua, and Edgy Brah, and a card stacked with promising prospects making their SFC debut, and a few coming back for their second bout under the SFC banner. We will preview the main card with some keys for victory for each fighter.


Main Event:

Featherweight - Taulua Fautanua (3-0) x Edgy Brah (2-0) (145 title)


our main event of the evening features two grapplers fighting it out to be the first ever SFC fw champion. fautanua has the slight edge as he’s a brown belt with an extra fight under his belt, however brah is no slouch on the ground as he rocks a purple belt at the tender age of 18. with 2 submission wins each in their young pro careers you can be sure this fight will see a lot of ground action, but don’t be surprised if you see brah try to keep this standing where they are equals in skill on the feet.


keys to victory:

fautanua- best chance of winning would be taking the fight to the floor where he holds a slight advantage.


brah- might serve best to try to keep this one standing and grinding out a hard fought UD victory.


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Co-Main Event:

Welterweight - Tyrus Shakur (1-0) x Bill Bones (0-0)


Co-main event brings an exciting match up between two up and coming prospects. with Shakur making his SFC debut ,and bones his first pro mma fight. both of them are strikers, but also have some decent grappling as they are also blue belts in bjj. Shakur a boxer, and Bones a Muay Thai practitioner you can be sure someone is going to get KOed.


Keys To Victory:

Shakur- Shakur needs to keep this fight on the outside and pick his opponent apart. Stay clear of the clinch game and keep his back off the cage. Footwork and angles to frustrate bones.


Bones- would benefit greatly from clinching up early and often and turning this into a thai/dirty boxing fight. use elbows and knees to work the body of shakur and cause some damage, wearing him out to a UD or maybe even a KO.


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Fight #3:

Heavyweight - David Campbell (1-0) x Slim Sylvia (1-0)


Our 3rd fight of the evening is between a strong wrestler in David Campbell with some legit grappling skills as he holds a purple belt in bjj, vs a muay thai striker with some wrestling skills, but poor bjj. Campbell though a strong grappler with little striking skill, is coming fresh off a first round TKO victory over Tim Arlovski at SFC 2. Slim Sylvia himself also coming off a first round KO victory at QFC. Im willing to bet someone is going to sleep once this one is all said and done.


Keys To Victory:

Campbell- Needs to take this to the floor despite his debut tko victory. His superior wrestling and bjj means he will probably look to do so. Heavy ground and pound, and transitions would serve him well, before he looks to sink in a submission.


Sylvia- Needs to keep this fight standing, use his striking advantage to wear down campbell and eventually look for the KO. though his specialty is Muay Thai id be weary to throw too many kicks which could benefit Campbells wrestling/takedown attempts.

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Fight #2

Bantamweight - Quincy Hanley (1-2) x Bailey Cooke (1-0)


Quincy Hanley didn’t get the opponent he truly wants in Tyler Bate, but he was game enough to accept this challenge against new comer Bailey Cooke. Hanley a KO of the night winner in his SFC debut with his 42 second in the very first round destruction of Kim Possible, looks to do the same against Bailey Cooke. Cooke who holds a slight edge in over all striking and a slight edge in submission grappling has other plans in mind as hes making his first appearance under the SFC banner.


Keys To Victory:

Hanley- Hanley has a sizable advantage in wrestling, and slight advantage in thai boxing. kicks to the body of his opponent, could prove useful as the fight goes on as he shouldn’t worry about the threat of a takedown. even though he’s a white belt in bjj, he could also go the complete opposite and use takedowns and a heavy top game with some ground and pound and hopefully avoid the submission attempts of the blue belt Cooke.


Cooke- decent at both boxing and thai he holds a slight overall advantage standing. think it would serve him best to fight long, and stay on the outside and using footwork to box up Hanley. While he does hold the advantage when it comes to BJJ its going to be a tough challenge trying to take down a superior wrestler. Keep back off cage and use quick hands would be key in this fight for Cooke.

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Fight #1


Middleweight - Joe Guerrero (1-0) x Warley Alvez (1-0)


Another super competitive super evenly matched fight, between two fighters making their organizational debut, which SFC is quickly being known for amongst the games youngest and brightest stars. Guerrero a talented boxer with some wrestling skill, but little bjj coming off a TKO qfc victory will battle Alvez, a Brazilian boxer who holds a blue belt in bjj. Alvez himself also a victor by way of TKO first round victory. Another fight that will probably not reach the end of the 3rd.


Keys To Victory:

Guerrero- A sprawl-n-brawl type fighter, with inferior bjj to his opponent you can bet Guerrero will look to keep this fight standing, while head hunting for a knockout.


Alvez- Brazilian might find it useful to dig into his countries roots and take this fight to the floor where he will have the upper hand in brazilian jiu jitsu. a decent boxer, he might be able to stand and wang with Guerrero, but probably not the smartest gameplan available.

Prelims:
205- Chuck Lesnar x Bon Bones
145- Rodrigo Hernandez x Jouzee Alddo
265- Mark Hunter x Borque Seriaoski
155- Harry Wilson x Ahmed Safwan
135- Kim Possible x Shair Khan
 
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