General Russia Ukraine round 2 Price hike boogaloo

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Wintermute

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no, but Russia does have a legitimate security concern with Ukraine joining NATO, which would put NATO bases on their border...same reason they annexed the region of Crimea with their largest naval base.

the US, through the past 3 administrations, as exasperated that situation because it positively affects our Energy oligarchs and advances US hegemony.


View: https://youtu.be/ZnHo6JXxcQM
So the strategy is to take Ukraine that borders... 5 NATO countries?
 

Filthy

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Jun 28, 2016
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glen greenwald had a great past. but he is dead to me. along with jimmy dore and tulsi gabbard

putting them aside, im still confused. ukraine siding with NATO is bad for putin as a dictactor

why should that cause me to support him invading and murdering those of another country?

i dont believe in the offense industry of the united states. nor that of the offense industry of russia
Germany and France were adamantly opposed to Ukraine joining NATO. The US propped it up because it made it easier to get drilling sites approved and increase LNG sales to Europe.

why would Gabbard/Greenwald/Dore/et al be "dead to you"?

If you want to live in an echo chamber, no one is going to stop you.

EDIT - and no one is saying that invading Ukraine is "good", but the narrative of "Mad Vlad" is being used to obfuscate the manner in which our Energy and Defense oligarchs dictate what is done in our name.
 

Wintermute

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tell me you didn't watch that without telling me you didn't watch that.
Buffer, how does it work.
I think you're having a stroke, my dude.

I also notice your "tell me XYZ without telling me XYZ" is your schtick... Do you have anything to contribute? The adults are talking.
 

kaladin stormblessed

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Germany and France were adamantly opposed to Ukraine joining NATO. The US propped it up because it made it easier to get drilling sites approved and increase LNG sales to Europe.

why would Gabbard/Greenwald/Dore/et al be "dead to you"?

If you want to live in an echo chamber, no one is going to stop you.
why they are dead to me doesnt matter.

but since i dont listen to them, you assume i am in an echo chamber?

 

Filthy

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I think you're having a stroke, my dude.

I also notice your "tell me XYZ without telling me XYZ" is your schtick... Do you have anything to contribute? The adults are talking.
did you watch it?

of course not. your comment has nothing to do with Greenwald's commentary.

you swallowed the bullshit.
 

kaladin stormblessed

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it is relevant. If you're willing to dismiss truth because of the messenger, you're living in an echo chamber.
they are dead to me because i began to view them as sad, little people for various reasons well before the ukraine war

but im not here to convince anyone else to boycott them tho

 

Filthy

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they are dead to me because i began to view them as sad, little people for various reasons well before the ukraine war

but im not here to convince anyone else to boycott them tho

so they're incapable of providing truth?

why is the onus on everyone else to find truth that you can accept? I listen to TYT and other Corporate Left outlets, as well as actual progressives, conservatives, and libertarians...because the Truth isn't owned by any one outlet.

The Greenwald commentary is what you need to see, whether you recognize it or not. You're manifesting the toxic climate of "With us or with them".
 

kneeblock

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Apr 18, 2015
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i am not saying you are wrong. or right. but its worth noting he is a brown-haired brown-eyed man making that comment about blonde-haired blue eyed children being killed by missiles

and he made the statement in a second or, more likely, third language

so intent may have gotten lost in translation
Nah there are many many such statements.


View: https://twitter.com/faynstudio/status/1497990006488584195?t=5bLctRu9YBa9JkWuW5evdg&s=19


There is a great deal of amnesia in this war. All the accusations of Russian belligerence are nearly identical to those waged against the US in 2003. Also, of course, the anti-refugee lobby in Europe has been powerful despite people coming there fleeing arguably worse circumstances, much as in the US. Similarly, no one seems to have much of an answer for what will happen to all the arms that will end up in the hands of Azov Battalion or Right Sector or their analogues. And let's not pretend there aren't opportunist Nazis on the Russian side too. There are no good guys in war and imperialist tendencies, from white exceptionalism to divide and conquer disaster capitalism is always part of the menu for the global north. Even most of the narrative of Ukraine's success or Russian failures is largely to prop the Ukrainians up as martyrs to help finally finish Russia's credibility because, let's be honest, the world had years to care and didn't give AF or know much about it.

Unfortunately, Ukraine is a sacrificial lamb here for oligarchs of many stripes, including Putin himself. The people in western Ukraine seem to know it, but will take whatever help they can get during this insane time, as will the people in Donetsk and the Eastern regions. It's war and it's as ugly and confusing as it gets. The over-exposure on social media hopefully will wake people up to this reality, but it's doubtful since people will just fall into whatever filter bubble they prefer to explain everything.
 

kaladin stormblessed

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so they're incapable of providing truth?

why is the onus on everyone else to find truth that you can accept? I listen to TYT and other Corporate Left outlets, as well as actual progressives, conservatives, and libertarians...because the Truth isn't owned by any one outlet.

The Greenwald commentary is what you need to see, whether you recognize it or not. You're manifesting the toxic climate of "With us or with them".
i dont have a team. i love animals. and i love humans in general almost as much as animals

glen is an asshole. jimmy is pathetic. and tulsi is a grifter. i wish them the best tho as i do everyone

thats all
 

Filthy

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i dont have a team. i love animals. and i love humans in general almost as much as animals

glen is an asshole. jimmy is pathetic. and tulsi is a grifter. i wish them the best tho as i do everyone

thats all
"pathetic" and "asshole" are non-sequiturs. All politicians and media personalities are grifters, if you apply the definition loosely enough.

why are you discounting truth because of your emotional projection on the source?
 

Qat

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Nov 3, 2015
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no, but Russia does have a legitimate security concern with Ukraine joining NATO, which would put NATO bases on their border...
I've seen this a few times now and glossed over it, I'm not sure what exactly you mean. You are aware that Estonia and Latvia - both nato members - already border Russia, right?

What am I missing here?
 

kaladin stormblessed

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Apr 24, 2017
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"pathetic" and "asshole" are non-sequiturs. All politicians and media personalities are grifters, if you apply the definition loosely enough.

why are you discounting truth because of your emotional projection on the source?
dude. i have no clue what "non-sequitor" means

all i am saying is that life is finite. and i dont have time for them

heres an example. if i was at a barbeque and they walked over to my group. i would walk away. they just arent my type of people. i think they qre tools

but to each our own
 

Filthy

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I've seen this a few times now and glossed over it, I'm not sure what exactly you mean. You are aware that Estonia and Latvia - both nato members - already border Russia, right?

What am I missing here?
size of border? historical context? how much military hardware has the US sold to Estonia and Latvia?
 

Filthy

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dude. i have no clue what "non-sequitor" means

all i am saying is that life is finite. and i dont have time for them

heres an example. if i was at a barbeque and they walked over to my group. i would walk away. they just arent my type of people. i think they qre tools

but to each our own
but you're blinding yourself to a comprehensive understanding of the situation by dismissing truth because you don't like the source.

truth doesn't care who states it. Who are the truth-speakers in this situation who you like that are giving you the same understanding that Mate/Greenwald/et al are giving me?