40 minutes in....
Joe needs to stop leading so hard with the loaded questions. I get what he's doing, trying to get osterholm to address all the stuff that's out there, but the way he's doing it comes across as a Lincoln Douglas debate about it instead of actually asking osterholm's opinion.
Also this episode would make
@Filthy big mad so hard.
@Filthy go listen.
Also I think the nuclear comparison remains accurate. Tulsi should be calling for the bio research equivalent of the IAEA instead of global cessation of critical research through fear mongering.