Stop being deliberately obtuse.
You can't negotiate from a position of weakness, especially against a bully. That's the ridiculous position.
You can't negotiate from a position of weakness, especially against a bully. That's the ridiculous position.
That's literally always how it's worked. You live on an island that's the prime example of it.
I said "bits of countries".
If Yorkshire held a referendum and declared independence, you think the rest of the UK would just go with it?
The Ukrainian constitution requires that any changes to the territory of Ukraine be approved by a referendum of all of the Ukrainian people. The requirement is consistent with general principles of international law, which respects the territorial integrity of states and does not recognize a right of secession by a group or region in a country unless the group or region has been denied a right to "internal self determination" (i.e., its right to pursue its own political, economic, social, and cultural development) by the central government or has been subject to grave human rights violations by the central government. These factors, which could give rise to a right of remedial secession under international law, are not present in Crimea.
International law prefers to preserve the territorial integrity of states and limit the right of popular self-determination because minority secession movements, if allowed to proceed without limits, do not reflect the views of the majority in a state and could lead to the breakdown of the international system.
Why the Crimean Referendum Is Illegitimate
The vote by some Crimean citizens to join Russia violates Ukrainian and international law and could come back to haunt Moscow, its primary backer, says CFR’s John Bellinger.
www.cfr.org
No idea. When a province in Canada held a referendum we were willing to let it go. Democracy and all that jazz.
Back to some actual news from the war in Ukraine:
View: https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/tgx6dl/confirmed_colonel_sergey_sukharev_russias_331st/
View: https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/tgx6dl/confirmed_colonel_sergey_sukharev_russias_331st/
I'm hardly being obtuse. If sanctions or arming Ukraine put us in a position of strength why aren't we offering to mediate negotiations now?
Have you stopped to ask yourself why we have no issue getting weapons in, but don't do anything to ensure civilian escape? Has anyone asked why we aren't telling Zelensky "You only get weapons if you get mother's and children out of the country?"
@BeardOfKnowledge Did you miss the days of the "training exercise" where everybody and their dog flew to Moscow to negotiate with Putin, only to have total lies shouted at them from across the room?
Its as
@NotBanjaxo said, pleading with him does nothing here, and you cant trust it anyway. Only if backed into a corner somewhat he will be ready to negotiate.
Stop victim blaming.
There's no angels versus demons going on here, there never is in war. It's all shades of grey.
The only way that the Ukraine gets out of this without being bullied out of territory, or being occupied, is if Russia pulls out. The only way that happens, as previously stated more than once, is if Putin is forced into it.
How is me blaming our governments "victim blaming"?
Also, Ukraine isn't forcing Russia into anything. We're feeding the Ukrainians into a meat grinder.
You think Putin negotiated? He still lied to everyone while preparing the invasion, thinking he can gain more that way.
You can't negotiate with him in good faith while pleading, that much he has shown.
People came to negotiate with Putin but he wasn't interested.
I'll amend Qat's sentence for you:
There, no question mark.
Once you get into an argument, you really enjoy it don't you? Keep on digging that entrenchment you're occupying. Your arguments are increasingly nonsensical.
So did he arrive to negotiate and then refuse or did he turn down an offer? I legit don’t know and would be curious what Russia was offered.
my arguments arent nonsensical. yours are
crap. i responded from the wrong account
I'll take this opportunity to remind you that you've conceded that sanctions are terrible for the populace but also that we shouldn't lift them. I don't understand how someone can reconcile those 2 positions and to be honest you haven't even made an attempt. You just keep repeating "Russia bad".
They aren't pleasant for the Russian populace, but it's their government that invaded.
Are you the reincarnation of Neville Chamberlain? Your appeasement policy towards an aggressive Russia would have been about as successful at creating the "Peace of our time" methinks.
I'll take this opportunity to point out that I am willing to concede a point in an argument (I conceded that although Russia would have the food to feed it's people, they might struggle to afford it, and Putin wouldn't give two shits if they starved).
Your pattern of posting on TMMAC indicates that you are unwilling to do so.