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Hauler

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fell over in a snowstorm when young?
bent to ground?
new growth vertical?
just guessing

very cool tree
The one in back of it has a similar, less pronounced bend. I think a tree fell on them when they were young, then nature continued as you described.
 

conor mcgregor nut hugger

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Ok this app is a must-have for outdoorsmen imo. Women of TMMAC you can tell your husbands about it.

It's called Sun Position, Sunrise, and Sunset Demo (there's also a paid version but the demo/free one works fine for me). Basically it gives you the position of the Sun in your or any other location at any time of day. It will also tell you the sunrise/sunset times for the current day, plus all that shit I just mentioned for the moon as well.

Here's what the basic sun position mode looks like:



If you're on Android, here's the link - https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.andymstone.sunpositiondemo

If you're on Apple, just search the name. The developer is called "Stonekick".
 

conor mcgregor nut hugger

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Nice, I didn’t even notice the spinal line at first glance but see it now
There is a thriving population of green anoles in Miami-Dade county thanks to the introduction and "hybridization" of Cuban green anoles (Anolis Porcatus). A 2018 study recently showed that South Miami green anoles have 35% Porcatus DNA and 65% native green anole (Anolis Carolinensis) DNA.

At first it seems like this wouldn't be a good thing, as it's yet another invasive. But the thing is, Anolis Porcatus and Anolis Carolinensis are indistinguishable on a morphological level, even by experienced herpetologists. BUT Porcatus grows slightly larger than Carolinensis, making it better equipped to defend itself against brown anoles (Anolis Sagrei).

I say if you can't tell them apart and they can reproduce and make viable offspring then they're the same thing, so I welcome the Cuban greenies.

This is a green anole caught in Miami-Dade just last week. It's a little north of the typical range for Carolinensis × Porcatus hybrids, but judging by how fookin massive it is, I'd say it's most likely a hybrid:



lueVelvet @lueVelvet you'd probably be interested in this. Also if either of you is interested in the research study, let me know and I'll send you a link to it.
 

lueVelvet

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There is a thriving population of green anoles in Miami-Dade county thanks to the introduction and "hybridization" of Cuban green anoles (Anolis Porcatus). A 2018 study recently showed that South Miami green anoles have 35% Porcatus DNA and 65% native green anole (Anolis Carolinensis) DNA.

At first it seems like this wouldn't be a good thing, as it's yet another invasive. But the thing is, Anolis Porcatus and Anolis Carolinensis are indistinguishable on a morphological level, even by experienced herpetologists. BUT Porcatus grows slightly larger than Carolinensis, making it better equipped to defend itself against brown anoles (Anolis Sagrei).

I say if you can't tell them apart and they can reproduce and make viable offspring then they're the same thing, so I welcome the Cuban greenies.

This is a green anole caught in Miami-Dade just last week. It's a little north of the typical range for Carolinensis × Porcatus hybrids, but judging by how fookin massive it is, I'd say it's most likely a hybrid:



lueVelvet @lueVelvet you'd probably be interested in this. Also if either of you is interested in the research study, let me know and I'll send you a link to it.
That's very interesting! I know people used to think that A.sagrei would breed with A.carolinensis thus polluting the gene pool but they never found evidence of it. While I do prefer species to remain "pure" and not hybridize I don't think it's reasonable in an era of invasive species taking to the Florida eco-systems so well. Good find...
 

Grateful Dude

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There is a thriving population of green anoles in Miami-Dade county thanks to the introduction and "hybridization" of Cuban green anoles (Anolis Porcatus). A 2018 study recently showed that South Miami green anoles have 35% Porcatus DNA and 65% native green anole (Anolis Carolinensis) DNA.

At first it seems like this wouldn't be a good thing, as it's yet another invasive. But the thing is, Anolis Porcatus and Anolis Carolinensis are indistinguishable on a morphological level, even by experienced herpetologists. BUT Porcatus grows slightly larger than Carolinensis, making it better equipped to defend itself against brown anoles (Anolis Sagrei).

I say if you can't tell them apart and they can reproduce and make viable offspring then they're the same thing, so I welcome the Cuban greenies.

This is a green anole caught in Miami-Dade just last week. It's a little north of the typical range for Carolinensis × Porcatus hybrids, but judging by how fookin massive it is, I'd say it's most likely a hybrid:



lueVelvet @lueVelvet you'd probably be interested in this. Also if either of you is interested in the research study, let me know and I'll send you a link to it.
That is a fat anole! Damn! They are much more slender here. Hybridization is pretty common in lizards/amphibians.

My company has a team of salamander biologists that do research on Eurycea salamanders, and while there are multiple distinct species, the genetics indicate hybridization occurs and has for a long time.

Please link study, I am interested to read it. One our biologists was a consultant in FLA, and I think he may have some experience with these guys.
 

conor mcgregor nut hugger

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That is a fat anole! Damn! They are much more slender here. Hybridization is pretty common in lizards/amphibians.

My company has a team of salamander biologists that do research on Eurycea salamanders, and while there are multiple distinct species, the genetics indicate hybridization occurs and has for a long time.

Please link study, I am interested to read it. One our biologists was a consultant in FLA, and I think he may have some experience with these guys.
Yeah I'm used to the skinny ones as well. I didn't even know green anoles could get that big.

(PDF) Hybridization and rapid differentiation after secondary contact between the native green anole (Anolis carolinensis) and the introduced green anole (Anolis porcatus)
 

lueVelvet

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conor mcgregor nut hugger

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There are tons of species of anoles all throughout South America. Have you seen the Cuban Knight anoles down your way?
A. Equestris are all over down here. They're slow and would be easy to catch but they're gigantic and I've heard their bite fucking hurts so I haven't tried to catch one lol.

I probably see at least one a day most days. They seem to really like sabal palms
 

Hauler

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FINALLY heading back to the woods for the weekend. Hoping the fall leaves are still on the trees. Will post pics if I have service.
 

conor mcgregor nut hugger

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FINALLY heading back to the woods for the weekend. Hoping the fall leaves are still on the trees. Will post pics if I have service.
Grandpa,

You can take pictures with your phone and then post them later if you don't have service. You don't need to have cell reception to use the camera on your phone.

 

Hauler

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Thanks for the tip conor mcgregor nut hugger @conor mcgregor nut hugger but I actually have service. Clear night. I'm the only one here tonight and I just heard something huffing in the woods.

I went back to the truck and got my gun. I'm now camping with a loaded .38 in my pocket. Haha.

It's amazing the shit you hear when you are alone in the woods.

 

Rambo John J

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Thanks for the tip conor mcgregor nut hugger @conor mcgregor nut hugger but I actually have service. Clear night. I'm the only one here tonight and I just heard something huffing in the woods.

I went back to the truck and got my gun. I'm now camping with a loaded .38 in my pocket. Haha.

It's amazing the shit you hear when you are alone in the woods.

there is a demon in the smoke in this image...are you on a burial site?

I think the huffing was probably just a bigfoot in rut .
 
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